Led Zeppelin — Achilles Last Stand
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It was an April morning
When they told us we should go.
And as I turned to you, you smiled at me
How could we say no?
Whoa, the fun to have
To live the dreams we always had.
Whoa, the songs to sing
When we at last return again.
Sending off a glancing kiss
To those who claim they know
Below the streets that steam and hiss,
The devil's in his home.
Whoa, to sail away
Sandy lands and other days.
Whoa, to touch the dream
That hides inside and is never seen, yeah.
Into the sun of south and north
At last the birds have flown.
The shackles of commitment fell
In pieces on the ground.
Whoa, to ride the wind
To tread the air above the din.
Whoa, to laugh aloud
Dancing high above the crowd, yeah.
Seek the man whose pointing hand
The giant step unfolds
With guidance from the curving path
That churns up into stone
If one bell should ring
Celebration for a king
So fast the heart should beat
As proud the head with heavy feet, yeah.
Days went by when you and I
Made an eternal summer's glow
As far away and distant
Our mutual time to grow.
Whoa, the sweet refrain
It soothes the soul and calms the pain.
Oh, Albion remains
Sleeping now to rise again.
Wandering the wanderings
What place to rest the search?
Where the mighty arms of Atlas
Hold the heavens from the earth
Where the mighty arms of Atlas
Hold the heavens from the earth,
From the earth...
I know the way, know the way,
Know the way, know the way.
I know the way, know the way,
Know the way, know the way.
Where the mighty arms of Atlas
Hold the heavens from the earth.
When they told us we should go.
And as I turned to you, you smiled at me
How could we say no?
Whoa, the fun to have
To live the dreams we always had.
Whoa, the songs to sing
When we at last return again.
Sending off a glancing kiss
To those who claim they know
Below the streets that steam and hiss,
The devil's in his home.
Whoa, to sail away
Sandy lands and other days.
Whoa, to touch the dream
That hides inside and is never seen, yeah.
Into the sun of south and north
At last the birds have flown.
The shackles of commitment fell
In pieces on the ground.
Whoa, to ride the wind
To tread the air above the din.
Whoa, to laugh aloud
Dancing high above the crowd, yeah.
Seek the man whose pointing hand
The giant step unfolds
With guidance from the curving path
That churns up into stone
If one bell should ring
Celebration for a king
So fast the heart should beat
As proud the head with heavy feet, yeah.
Days went by when you and I
Made an eternal summer's glow
As far away and distant
Our mutual time to grow.
Whoa, the sweet refrain
It soothes the soul and calms the pain.
Oh, Albion remains
Sleeping now to rise again.
Wandering the wanderings
What place to rest the search?
Where the mighty arms of Atlas
Hold the heavens from the earth
Where the mighty arms of Atlas
Hold the heavens from the earth,
From the earth...
I know the way, know the way,
Know the way, know the way.
I know the way, know the way,
Know the way, know the way.
Where the mighty arms of Atlas
Hold the heavens from the earth.
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A helluva lot of noise. But good noise. Good Led Zep noise. And Bonham's noise is incredible, singular noise. Off the charts sort of noise. What a f'ing drum thumper.
Great song but always particularly loved how the the intro/outro sort of frame it.
a.myers1648 wrote:
Perhaps because you spelled it incorrectly.
Make this stop. This is why I avoided Zepplin in my youth
Perhaps because you spelled it incorrectly.
At their best!
I think a bit of this slipped into Barracuda.
fogmoose wrote:
I know you're trying to be funny, but I never got the Styx comparison. Styx couldn't rock like this in their wildest dreams....Styx sucked, lets be honest!
Completely agree with you about Styx. Robert Plant's voice can wander all over the place to beautiful effect (for example, Kashmir), but not on this one! And I consider myself a hardcore LZ fan too.
I know you're trying to be funny, but I never got the Styx comparison. Styx couldn't rock like this in their wildest dreams....Styx sucked, lets be honest!
Completely agree with you about Styx. Robert Plant's voice can wander all over the place to beautiful effect (for example, Kashmir), but not on this one! And I consider myself a hardcore LZ fan too.
maboleth wrote:
Achilles.....and the entire Presence album, have always been the dividing line between True Zeppelin fans and the mere "I love Zeppelin!" types. If you really grew up on and lived Led Zeppelin, then You'll understand...and love, Presence.
Fantastic song. How can anyone NOT like this is beyond me.
Achilles.....and the entire Presence album, have always been the dividing line between True Zeppelin fans and the mere "I love Zeppelin!" types. If you really grew up on and lived Led Zeppelin, then You'll understand...and love, Presence.
kcgirlindc wrote:
I know you're trying to be funny, but I never got the Styx comparison. Styx couldn't rock like this in their wildest dreams....Styx sucked, lets be honest!
I'm going to pretend that this is Styx and not Led Zeppelin.
I know you're trying to be funny, but I never got the Styx comparison. Styx couldn't rock like this in their wildest dreams....Styx sucked, lets be honest!
I'm going to pretend that this is Styx and not Led Zeppelin.
Fantastic song. How can anyone NOT like this is beyond me.
Spiderwoman wrote:
You obviously have no idea what a hardcore Zeppelin fan is. The definition of one is liking "Achilles Last Stand".... LoL
seriously though,its a f-in great song
Am I alone in this...but do Zeppelin fans like this? I thought I was a pretty hardcore fan, but this is repellent.
You obviously have no idea what a hardcore Zeppelin fan is. The definition of one is liking "Achilles Last Stand".... LoL
seriously though,its a f-in great song
On_The_Beach wrote:
How wrong can someone be? Presence only proved how Godly they were....and are! Achilles and T41 are two of the greatest songs they ever recorded....or anyone, for that matter.
The first 6 albums were all instant classics and then this (Presence) came out and we realized they were human after all.
How wrong can someone be? Presence only proved how Godly they were....and are! Achilles and T41 are two of the greatest songs they ever recorded....or anyone, for that matter.
The first 6 albums were all instant classics and then this (Presence) came out and we realized they were human after all.
"And if you would have asked me in 1969, as people did, what sort of band I was in, I would have said a progressive rock band. But then that became to mean something else. There you go, banging against categories again." - John Paul Jones.
Spiderwoman wrote:
I like LZ, but I agree, this is not their best song.
Am I alone in this...but do Zeppelin fans like this? I thought I was a pretty hardcore fan, but this is repellent.
I like LZ, but I agree, this is not their best song.
dsz wrote:
I suddenly fell into the trap: I press PSD - Achilles Last Stand sounds - press Play - Achilles Last Stand sounds again - press PSD - the same.
Could not wait when it finished
and this song is soooo loooong.
That was pretty awful
I suddenly fell into the trap: I press PSD - Achilles Last Stand sounds - press Play - Achilles Last Stand sounds again - press PSD - the same.
Could not wait when it finished
and this song is soooo loooong.Cacophonic !
Perhaps it's the memory this song evokes, but I find it hits me in a special place whenever I hear it. It reminds me of when I left my home in south FLA in '76, to venture off to make my way in the world, never having returned except for occasional visits. Hard to believe that was 41 years ago.This song reminds me of the last three day weekend I spent in Key West before leaving early the following Monday morning for the AF induction center in Coral Cables. I met a wild but very cool waitress who worked at Sloppy Joe's and was hiding from a psycho ex biker boyfriend in Ohio. She showed me the way the Conch's party in the Keys, (although I would get crazy nervous every time I heard a chopper pull up to the bar.) One of the best weekends of my life followed by one of the worst when I got to Lackland for boot camp after a miserable 3 day bus ride to Texas. Boy, those were the days. And this song is from the soundtrack of that part of my life. Funny how music does that. Thanks RP, for being the frequent trigger of the old memory tapes in my head. 
dsz wrote:
I second that.... It's either LSD or PSD...
That was pretty awful
I second that.... It's either LSD or PSD...
Bananarama wrote:
Maybe you are past your prime?
Maybe you are past your prime?
kylieh wrote:
Maybe you are past your prime?
This was probably okay with headphones in a panelled basement stoned out of your mind in the 70s, but on a Sunday afternoon hanging with my 11 year old it just seems past its prime.
Maybe you are past your prime?
That was pretty awful
Its much better then earler songs because there is a maturity and integrity and depth. Music has become more serious and more progressive. Kashmir and Achilles Last Stand is Graceful compositions. 10 points
I like it less. Than I once did. Zep is trying too hard here to recapture the magic thunder of their debut + next 3 albums. But I still like it. It's pretty smoking propulsive.
Spiderwoman wrote:
I agree. And I love LZ.
Am I alone in this...but do Zeppelin fans like this? I thought I was a pretty hardcore fan, but this is repellent.
I agree. And I love LZ.
a.myers1648 wrote:
That’s tragic, there is nothing sadder than young people wasting their youth!
Make this stop. This is why I avoided Zepplin in my youth
That’s tragic, there is nothing sadder than young people wasting their youth!
Surprised I like this, but I do. Mostly I prefer their earlier work that was, I don't know: more melodic? Their later style feels a lot less settled, in general. But I like this song.
This was probably okay with headphones in a panelled basement stoned out of your mind in the 70s, but on a Sunday afternoon hanging with my 11 year old it just seems past its prime.
Make this stop. This is why I avoided Zepplin in my youth
Lindo525 wrote:
If I have to read one more extreme example of hyperbole like this one, I am going to gouge out my eyes and feed them to a rabid mongrel.
Then I am going to swan dive from the nearest over-pass in front of a speeding locomotive.
I like this song.
But, Oedipus Wrecks, if you gouge out your eyes how can you see the overpass or the train from it in front of which you can plunge?
If I have to read one more extreme example of hyperbole like this one, I am going to gouge out my eyes and feed them to a rabid mongrel.
Then I am going to swan dive from the nearest over-pass in front of a speeding locomotive.
I like this song.
But, Oedipus Wrecks, if you gouge out your eyes how can you see the overpass or the train from it in front of which you can plunge?
Also, I hear Metallica's Blackened
Am I alone in this...but do Zeppelin fans like this? I thought I was a pretty hardcore fan, but this is repellent.
great set and education tonight. who knew "when levee breaks" was a cover? real real, great voices, legacy
makes up for this morning playing all my SBs: knopfler, Dave Matthews, Natalie, Florence. ack!
love you can't live without rp soundtrack. happy holidays.
now, you've made randy Newman Baltimore rippin! :bows:
Holy hell what an awful sound
Lindo525 wrote:
If I have to read one more extreme example of hyperbole like this one, I am going to gouge out my eyes and feed them to a rabid mongrel.
Then I am going to swan dive from the nearest over-pass in front of a speeding locomotive.
I like this song.
I'd rather mount shotgun shells on a pair of sunglasses and bash my face into a searing hot cooking plate, than having to read one more hyperbole like that!
If I have to read one more extreme example of hyperbole like this one, I am going to gouge out my eyes and feed them to a rabid mongrel.
Then I am going to swan dive from the nearest over-pass in front of a speeding locomotive.
I like this song.
I'd rather mount shotgun shells on a pair of sunglasses and bash my face into a searing hot cooking plate, than having to read one more hyperbole like that!
Proclivities wrote:
...... However, this song always seemed like an garbled mess to me.
Yeah! I enjoy it ... nostalgia? ... but agree entirely with your assessment.
...... However, this song always seemed like an garbled mess to me.
Yeah! I enjoy it ... nostalgia? ... but agree entirely with your assessment.
falconsk wrote:
Thanks to google translate (as my Russian is non-existent).
Nostalgia for distant student years. One of the first CD. With rapture listening to the sound without clicks records ...
Ностальгия по далеким студенческим годам. Один из первых компакт-дисков. С упоением вслушивались в звук без щелчков грампластинок...
Thanks to google translate (as my Russian is non-existent).
Nostalgia for distant student years. One of the first CD. With rapture listening to the sound without clicks records ...
Ностальгия по далеким студенческим годам. Один из первых компакт-дисков. С упоением вслушивались в звук без щелчков грампластинок...
jppazsoldan wrote:
Yeah, "too noisy" rock sucks
Not my kind of rock. Too noisy
Yeah, "too noisy" rock sucks
Yes? No. Zeppelin
Skydog wrote:
it's the Black Magic that has been cursing the Zep for decades
If that's true, then we're all cursed with "black magic". Nothing any worse happened to Zeppelin than what millions of other people have gone through since humans evolved from lower primates. Were other groups that lost a child, had a car accident, or had a group member die cursed with black magic too?
It's stunning that in this day and age some people are still so hung up on "good and evil" religious dogma and superstition.
it's the Black Magic that has been cursing the Zep for decades
If that's true, then we're all cursed with "black magic". Nothing any worse happened to Zeppelin than what millions of other people have gone through since humans evolved from lower primates. Were other groups that lost a child, had a car accident, or had a group member die cursed with black magic too?
It's stunning that in this day and age some people are still so hung up on "good and evil" religious dogma and superstition.
Zeppelin never gets old!
Certainly not their best work. Not my kind of rock. Too noisy
mgkiwi wrote:
get in line, a lot of folks are suing the Zep
btw, I give this song a 2
maybe your version was better
Hey, I wrote this song!!!
get in line, a lot of folks are suing the Zep
btw, I give this song a 2
maybe your version was better
Hey, I wrote this song!!!
GeorgeMWoods wrote:
If I have to read one more extreme example of hyperbole like this one, I am going to gouge out my eyes and feed them to a rabid mongrel.
Then I am going to swan dive from the nearest over-pass in front of a speeding locomotive.
I like this song.
God awful. I'd rather a root canal.
If I have to read one more extreme example of hyperbole like this one, I am going to gouge out my eyes and feed them to a rabid mongrel.
Then I am going to swan dive from the nearest over-pass in front of a speeding locomotive.
I like this song.
Rush
Epic song. Just so damn good. If you were a hard rock band in the 70s, wouldn't you just want to give up everytime you heard a new LZ album?
That being said, this is their weakest album in my opinion. It just never worked overall for me. This song, and Tea for One area amazing, but the rest of the album just doesn't deliver. A lot was going on while this was being recorded; Plant was in a wheel chair after a horrible accident, and he quite all drugs (while Jimmy continued to increase his use). Many do not like the follow up album In Through The Out Door, but I consider ITTOD amazing and a great change for LZ. Solid songwriting throughout, and amazing production. Probably thanks to drug-free Plant and Jones taking the lead.
That being said, this is their weakest album in my opinion. It just never worked overall for me. This song, and Tea for One area amazing, but the rest of the album just doesn't deliver. A lot was going on while this was being recorded; Plant was in a wheel chair after a horrible accident, and he quite all drugs (while Jimmy continued to increase his use). Many do not like the follow up album In Through The Out Door, but I consider ITTOD amazing and a great change for LZ. Solid songwriting throughout, and amazing production. Probably thanks to drug-free Plant and Jones taking the lead.
AhhtheMusic wrote:
Haha, more or less my thoughts. I was thinking Rush sounds a lot like Led Zeppelin in this song.
OMG - sounds just like Rush....which, for me, is NOT a good thing.
Haha, more or less my thoughts. I was thinking Rush sounds a lot like Led Zeppelin in this song.
Nobody rocked like Led Zep!
Bill is rockin' today thanks so much great to hear this after lunch of all times, had a NYC DJ play Moody Blues last week after lunch, 3 Million people were yawning in harmony.
Sunman wrote:
I agree. Let's drop it down. From 3 to 1
Average rating 6.6?
WTF?
I agree. Let's drop it down. From 3 to 1
Minny mouse having an orgasm ?
ahhh ahhh ummm.
ahhh ahhh ummm.
GeorgeMWoods wrote:
it's the Black Magic that has been cursing the Zep for decades
God awful. I'd rather a root canal.
it's the Black Magic that has been cursing the Zep for decades
God awful. I'd rather a root canal.
Average rating 6.6?
WTF?
OMG - sounds just like Rush....which, for me, is NOT a good thing.
On_The_Beach wrote:
I somehow remember sitting in my buddy's room about 40 years ago and staring at this picture, wondering if that guy was Dick Sargent (a/k/a Darrin Stephens #2) from "Bewitched". It may have been a tad "overcast" in the room at that time...
I somehow remember sitting in my buddy's room about 40 years ago and staring at this picture, wondering if that guy was Dick Sargent (a/k/a Darrin Stephens #2) from "Bewitched". It may have been a tad "overcast" in the room at that time...
Fabulous guitar breaks and forward momentum if slightly one dimensional
Still, love it
Still, love it
wgsu_1978 wrote:
Hah, now that you mention it!
I like this song, although it's far from Zep's best.
Sounds a little too much like Rush to me.
Hah, now that you mention it!I like this song, although it's far from Zep's best.
handyrae wrote:
yeah, that's sonically what hit me too, then surprise it is Zep. what a wild ode to the long rock songs of the past.
Good Lord! At first I thought this was Heart, then I decided it was some strange Yes song. Quite surprised when I looked to see it was Led Zeppelin.
yeah, that's sonically what hit me too, then surprise it is Zep. what a wild ode to the long rock songs of the past.
So friggin' good. Epic.
why are the worst songs always that long??
Worst song? You need to chew on a piece of custard pie!
Worst LZ song. Worst. Please remove from playlist.
Tjerome wrote:
This is a good song. You write holy crap
Holy flurking schnitt. LZ must have been deeply depressed when they wrote and performed this endless bombastic dirge. They have a huge and varied repertoire that I have mostly liked and often loved, but ye gods, this one is a "1" for me. Even the following tune by Leonard Cohen (whose music I usually deeply loathe) was a soothing balm for my ears after this one! ;-)
If I'd been able to stab the PSD button, I would have, but couldn't get to the phone just then.
If I'd been able to stab the PSD button, I would have, but couldn't get to the phone just then.
This is a good song. You write holy crap
Holy flurking schnitt. LZ must have been deeply depressed when they wrote and performed this endless bombastic dirge. They have a huge and varied repertoire that I have mostly liked and often loved, but ye gods, this one is a "1" for me. Even the following tune by Leonard Cohen (whose music I usually deeply loathe) was a soothing balm for my ears after this one! ;-)
If I'd been able to stab the PSD button, I would have, but couldn't get to the phone just then.
If I'd been able to stab the PSD button, I would have, but couldn't get to the phone just then.
kingart wrote:
Whoever that drummer dude is really needs to learn how to bang his skins!
Listen to the drum part. WOW!!!!
The worst of Led Zep. Still better than 90% of what was out there, but a track that we can forget given their vast catalog.
Just picked up the remastered/re-issued Presence album.
For Your Life is prime Zep IMHO.
For Your Life is prime Zep IMHO.
Zeppelin fan
But this track/period has little to no musical value to me
But this track/period has little to no musical value to me
classic zeppelin
long form Rock. long gone....
Sounds a little too much like Rush to me.
Whoever that drummer dude is really needs to learn how to bang his skins!
How sick is this track? And it's ALL ZEPPELIN!!!!
Where's fredriley with his "Fuckin' long, innit?" Joe Strummer comment when you need him?!?
Epic, involved and OTT. It's interesting for about 3-4 minutes, but this should have been on a B-sides and Rarities release. Maybe that's what this album was, come to think of it...
Epic, involved and OTT. It's interesting for about 3-4 minutes, but this should have been on a B-sides and Rarities release. Maybe that's what this album was, come to think of it...
One of their best....as was the last one...
Sunman wrote:
Look at the cast of clowns laying down the comments and add many grains of salt.
Some of these comments shock me. A one? Seriously?
Look at the cast of clowns laying down the comments and add many grains of salt.
superb.
kingart wrote:
What is the onomatopoeia of loud wet flatulence in reply to this toxic text?
I'm with the sting on this one. Dreadful wanking
What is the onomatopoeia of loud wet flatulence in reply to this toxic text?
I'm with the sting on this one. Dreadful wanking
Proclivities wrote:
John Bonham's sound is immediately recognizable and identifiable by anyone familiar with rock music - especially drummers. His sound and style have been admired and/or emulated by thousands of drummers, including Neil Peart. Those points alone make it "out of the ordinary, original, (and) unique". However, this song always seemed like an garbled mess to me.
Bonham, like Peart and Gavin Harrison, would have made a great jazz drummer. He played notes. Bonham excelled playing the song's melody with drive and urgency. Peart and Harrison excel similarly. My closest pure jazz comparison—and I'm completely open to opposing views—is Jeff Watts with Branford Marsalis's bands.
John Bonham's sound is immediately recognizable and identifiable by anyone familiar with rock music - especially drummers. His sound and style have been admired and/or emulated by thousands of drummers, including Neil Peart. Those points alone make it "out of the ordinary, original, (and) unique". However, this song always seemed like an garbled mess to me.
Bonham, like Peart and Gavin Harrison, would have made a great jazz drummer. He played notes. Bonham excelled playing the song's melody with drive and urgency. Peart and Harrison excel similarly. My closest pure jazz comparison—and I'm completely open to opposing views—is Jeff Watts with Branford Marsalis's bands.
They should have let Tom from Blendtec see if his machine could mix this track
Stingray wrote:
What is the onomatopoeia of loud wet flatulence in reply to this toxic text?
Most definitely the most horrible song I ever heard of Zep!
TERRIBLE!!
1
TERRIBLE!!
1
What is the onomatopoeia of loud wet flatulence in reply to this toxic text?
I could nit pick and criticize and second guess...
or CRANK IT UP
or CRANK IT UP
I love that Bill has a soft spot for this song.
Wuddi wrote:
CONFIRM ! !
Are you serious? This song totally shreds! It's a hybrid song from an awkward time in Rock but listen to the guitar. Listen to it all again. It's a really good song...
CONFIRM ! !
Are you serious? This song totally shreds! It's a hybrid song from an awkward time in Rock but listen to the guitar. Listen to it all again. It's a really good song...
Stingray wrote:
CONFIRM ! !
Most definitely the most horrible song I ever heard of Zep!
TERRIBLE!!
1
TERRIBLE!!
1
CONFIRM ! !
They are still to be matched today
aspicer wrote:
Agreed. I just don't understand all the haters of this song. A masterpiece of Jimmy Page's ability to layer multiple guitars and create amazing sonic textures.
Mind boggling - avg. rating is a 6.7??!!! I think of all the other...ahem..."lesser songs"...we hear on RP that are over 7...and THIS is 6.7?! 
Agreed. I just don't understand all the haters of this song. A masterpiece of Jimmy Page's ability to layer multiple guitars and create amazing sonic textures.
Some of these comments shock me. A one? Seriously?
creative composition ...a little Bolero in there :)
first time I have ever heard it
the drums and voice immediately made me recognize the band
first time I have ever heard it
the drums and voice immediately made me recognize the band
Most definitely the most horrible song I ever heard of Zep!
TERRIBLE!!
1
TERRIBLE!!
1
In many ways, Bonham set the standard.(I remember exactly where I was and what I was doing, the day he died.)
Proclivities wrote:
John Bonham's sound is immediately recognizable and identifiable by anyone familiar with rock music - especially drummers. His sound and style have been admired and/or emulated by thousands of drummers, including Neil Peart. Those points alone make it "out of the ordinary, original, (and) unique". However, this song always seemed like an garbled mess to me.
Proclivities wrote:
John Bonham's sound is immediately recognizable and identifiable by anyone familiar with rock music - especially drummers. His sound and style have been admired and/or emulated by thousands of drummers, including Neil Peart. Those points alone make it "out of the ordinary, original, (and) unique". However, this song always seemed like an garbled mess to me.
Imkirok wrote:
Never thought that Bonzo was a "great" drummer. Very good, yes, but not great other than being a part of one of the best groups ever. Yes, he could bang them loud and keep the beat, but doesn't seem to me like he did anything out of the ordinary, original, or unique.
Neal Peart, IMO, is the best rock drummer out there.
John Bonham's sound is immediately recognizable and identifiable by anyone familiar with rock music - especially drummers. His sound and style have been admired and/or emulated by thousands of drummers, including Neil Peart. Those points alone make it "out of the ordinary, original, (and) unique". However, this song always seemed like an garbled mess to me.
Never thought that Bonzo was a "great" drummer. Very good, yes, but not great other than being a part of one of the best groups ever. Yes, he could bang them loud and keep the beat, but doesn't seem to me like he did anything out of the ordinary, original, or unique.
Neal Peart, IMO, is the best rock drummer out there.
John Bonham's sound is immediately recognizable and identifiable by anyone familiar with rock music - especially drummers. His sound and style have been admired and/or emulated by thousands of drummers, including Neil Peart. Those points alone make it "out of the ordinary, original, (and) unique". However, this song always seemed like an garbled mess to me.
Crank this up! 
What a bunch of wank...as musical as a car crash in a train yard. PSD, please. These guys actually made some good music why play this?
Proof that even the great bands are capable of producing really mediocre stuff.
Top 5 of ANYTHING they did!
Also to include...
Thats the Way
Ten Years Gone
When the Levee Breaks
Babe Im Gonna Leave You
If case anyone was wondering......
Prob not though
Also to include...
Thats the Way
Ten Years Gone
When the Levee Breaks
Babe Im Gonna Leave You
If case anyone was wondering......
Prob not though
Strange to say, it took me a while to get LZ. Then, in my 20s, it suddenly hit me, and ever since pretty much any LZ is good LZ, and this one certainly scratches the itch.
wow. What the fuck did happen to them?
"Turd polishing..."
The bottom fell out of their soul, their ability.
This has nothing.
"Turd polishing..."
The bottom fell out of their soul, their ability.
This has nothing.
daedalus wrote:
Carefully arranged dross...
Ponderous and self indulgent.
Carefully arranged dross...
Ponderous and self indulgent.
Carefully arranged dross...
Ponderous and self indulgent.
Carefully arranged dross...
Ponderous and self indulgent.
Nerubo wrote:
Good luck with that!
Nice to hear a Led Zeppelin song that Classic Rock stations haven't pounded into the ground with heavy rotation.
The solution of course is to avoid commercial radio. :-)
The solution of course is to avoid commercial radio. :-)
Good luck with that!
They were a great band no doubt. Loved the first two albums but this is turd polishing.
Carefully arranged dross...
Ponderous and self indulgent.
Carefully arranged dross...
Ponderous and self indulgent.
Imkirok wrote:
Never thought that Bonzo was a "great" drummer. Very good, yes, but not great other than being a part of one of the best groups ever. Yes, he could bang them loud and keep the beat, but doesn't seem to me like he did anything out of the ordinary, original, or unique.
Neal Peart, IMO, is the best rock drummer out there.
Having been a drummer from my teens through early 50's, I can say that using 10 drums, 15 cymbals, and other sound effects on a kit, and filling in every possible spot with a note at higher speed may sound impressive to the layman but does not make one a "better" drummer than the next. There are many different styles of drumming or ways to approach a given song as a drummer.
BTW - it's spelled 'Neil', not 'Neal'.
Never thought that Bonzo was a "great" drummer. Very good, yes, but not great other than being a part of one of the best groups ever. Yes, he could bang them loud and keep the beat, but doesn't seem to me like he did anything out of the ordinary, original, or unique.
Neal Peart, IMO, is the best rock drummer out there.
Having been a drummer from my teens through early 50's, I can say that using 10 drums, 15 cymbals, and other sound effects on a kit, and filling in every possible spot with a note at higher speed may sound impressive to the layman but does not make one a "better" drummer than the next. There are many different styles of drumming or ways to approach a given song as a drummer.
BTW - it's spelled 'Neil', not 'Neal'.
Nice to hear a Led Zeppelin song that Classic Rock stations haven't pounded into the ground with heavy rotation. I try not to let my youthful bad habits of listening to commercial radio ruin their music for me, but it has happened to (certain) Led Zeppelin and Pink Floyd songs more than most.
The solution of course is to avoid commercial radio. :-)
The solution of course is to avoid commercial radio. :-)
Mind boggling - avg. rating is a 6.7??!!! I think of all the other...ahem..."lesser songs"...we hear on RP that are over 7...and THIS is 6.7?!
Good Lord! At first I thought this was Heart, then I decided it was some strange Yes song. Quite surprised when I looked to see it was Led Zeppelin.
WonderLizard wrote:
Agree. His style, like that of Peart, Moon, and Harrison, is jazz-oriented. He plays notes. This is not to disrespect rhythmic drummers, but with this style of music, his ability to track the bass line is amazing. So many great drummers go away before their time (Bonzo, Moonie). One wonders what they would have produced after, say, 40 years of experience. Ringo, Charlie Watts, Ed Ferguson, and Buddy Rich are part of one answer.
So, weigh in, folks, who are the better graying drummers? And why?
Never thought that Bonzo was a "great" drummer. Very good, yes, but not great other than being a part of one of the best groups ever. Yes, he could bang them loud and keep the beat, but doesn't seem to me like he did anything out of the ordinary, original, or unique.
Neal Peart, IMO, is the best rock drummer out there.
Agree. His style, like that of Peart, Moon, and Harrison, is jazz-oriented. He plays notes. This is not to disrespect rhythmic drummers, but with this style of music, his ability to track the bass line is amazing. So many great drummers go away before their time (Bonzo, Moonie). One wonders what they would have produced after, say, 40 years of experience. Ringo, Charlie Watts, Ed Ferguson, and Buddy Rich are part of one answer.
So, weigh in, folks, who are the better graying drummers? And why?
Never thought that Bonzo was a "great" drummer. Very good, yes, but not great other than being a part of one of the best groups ever. Yes, he could bang them loud and keep the beat, but doesn't seem to me like he did anything out of the ordinary, original, or unique.
Neal Peart, IMO, is the best rock drummer out there.
michaelc wrote:
Use your mute or PSD button, Einstein.
I don't care that it is Led Zeppelin - make it stop - please.
Use your mute or PSD button, Einstein.
Just cranked the volume to "bleeding ears"
aspicer wrote:
A 6.8 average...are you KIDDIN' ME?!?! I cringe when I think of all the other songs on RP at 7 or higher not close to this.... 
I agree (and I rated it 9). bmo wrote:
I don't hear that at all. For example, I can hear how closely the bass and drum lines follow each other. For me, this is just great music.
No cohesion. Sounds like each of the band members is doing his own tbing.
Grreat drummimg but drums do not make a great lead instrument.
Grreat drummimg but drums do not make a great lead instrument.
I don't hear that at all. For example, I can hear how closely the bass and drum lines follow each other. For me, this is just great music.
No cohesion. Sounds like each of the band members is doing his own tbing.
Grreat drummimg but drums do not make a great lead instrument.
Grreat drummimg but drums do not make a great lead instrument.
WonderLizard wrote:
Agree. His style, like that of Peart, Moon, and Harrison, is jazz-oriented. He plays notes. This is not to disrespect rhythmic drummers, but with this style of music, his ability to track the bass line is amazing. So many great drummers go away before their time (Bonzo, Moonie). One wonders what they would have produced after, say, 40 years of experience. Ringo, Charlie Watts, Ed Ferguson, and Buddy Rich are part of one answer.
So, weigh in, folks, who are the better graying drummers? And why?
His son is no slouch on drums either. On the Celebration DVD there are moments when the original members are watching him and grins from ear to ear
Agree. His style, like that of Peart, Moon, and Harrison, is jazz-oriented. He plays notes. This is not to disrespect rhythmic drummers, but with this style of music, his ability to track the bass line is amazing. So many great drummers go away before their time (Bonzo, Moonie). One wonders what they would have produced after, say, 40 years of experience. Ringo, Charlie Watts, Ed Ferguson, and Buddy Rich are part of one answer.
So, weigh in, folks, who are the better graying drummers? And why?
His son is no slouch on drums either. On the Celebration DVD there are moments when the original members are watching him and grins from ear to ear
One of the best song ever, too bad it's 1 am in Italy and can't hit the speakers to the max! 
I don't care that it is Led Zeppelin - make it stop - please.