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The Clash — Police and Thieves
Album: The Clash
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Released: 1979
Length: 5:52
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Police and thieves in the streets
Oh yeah!
Scaring the nation with their guns and ammunition
Police and thieves in the street
Oh yeah!
Fighting the nation with their guns and ammunition

From Genesis to Revelation
The next generation will be hear me
From Genesis to Revelation
The next generation will be hear me

And all the crowd comes in day by day
No one stop it in anyway
And all the peacemaker turn war officer
Hear what I say

[Vocal ad lib]

Police, police, police and thieves oh yeah
Police, police, police and thieves oh yeah
From Genesis oh yeah
Police, police, police and thieves oh yeah

Scaring, fighting the nation
Shooting, shooting their guns and ammunition

Police, police, police and thieves oh yeah
Police, police, police and thieves oh yeah
Here come, here come, here come
The station is bombed
Get out get out get out you people
If you don't wanna get blown up
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An easy 10, but these go to 11.
Posted 2 years ago by Zep    [ Reply ]
When The Clash Police and Thieves is played on My Favorites, the title and album cover that's shown is The Red House Painters.

Which obviously a glitch in the database.
Posted 2 years ago by NeilBlanchard    [ Reply ]
Oh thank you PSD!  Much better than that Future Islands tripe.
Posted 9 years ago by ick    [ Reply ]
 lemmoth wrote:


How dare you denigrate the late great Lester Bangs.

 
bangs

 

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Posted 9 years ago by treatment_bound    [ Reply ]
Thank you, Junior Murvin. May you rest in peace.
Posted 10 years ago by Grammarcop    [ Reply ]
Can't stand the primitive bass!
Posted 12 years ago by Stingray    [ Reply ]
 Proclivities wrote:

"Jeeves, fetch my monocle and my Rick Wakeman 8-track tapes."
 
ROTFLOL!!!  Nice!!!
Posted 12 years ago by Biscobret    [ Reply ]
The only band that matters.  Not my favorite, so it only rates a 9 ;-)   Long live rebel music!

{#Bananajam}     {#Drummer}     {#Dancingbanana_2}
Posted 12 years ago by Biscobret    [ Reply ]
dunno...
Posted 12 years ago by Stingray    [ Reply ]
 tg3k wrote:

Listening to simplistic crap ain't gonna make it any better. Sorry. Not saying you're wrong for liking it, but the fact that you do like it doesn't mean everyone else should.
 
Sorry, but the fact that you deem this "simplistic" does not make it "crap".  Perhaps you think rock music is supposed to be sophisticated and high-brow, to only be savored with a snifter of Benedictine, but that doesn't mean everyone else should.
Clifton Webb
"Jeeves, fetch my monocle and my Rick Wakeman 8-track tapes."
Posted 12 years ago by Proclivities    [ Reply ]
One of my favorites from a GREAT band!
Posted 12 years ago by aspicer    [ Reply ]
 scrubbrush wrote:


you're missing an apostrophe and an e.

othewise, i agree. good song, great band

 
Sorry, I share this login with a guy with a humanities degree who can't figure out grammar.

Posted 12 years ago by neuticle    [ Reply ]
 tg3k wrote:

Listening to simplistic crap ain't gonna make it any better. Sorry. Not saying you're wrong for liking it, but the fact that you do like it doesn't mean everyone else should.
 
The plodding beat of this song gets tiresome. If you could strip out the lyrics from a lot of early Clash songs, karaoke style, you'd be left with a garage band. And their singing ain't nothin' to write home about. 

I get that the Clash wanted a stripped-down sound to move away from the over-produced, flaccid mainstream music of the era. On some  of their songs, that really works. But for me, a lot of the band's early stuff is now a tortured nostalgia trip. 
Posted 13 years ago by kcar    [ Reply ]
 neuticle wrote:

You need to listen to them some more..your missing something

 

you're missing an apostrophe and an e.

othewise, i agree. good song, great band

Posted 13 years ago by scrubbrush    [ Reply ]
 neuticle wrote:

You need to listen to them some more..your missing something
 
Listening to simplistic crap ain't gonna make it any better. Sorry. Not saying you're wrong for liking it, but the fact that you do like it doesn't mean everyone else should.
Posted 13 years ago by tg3k    [ Reply ]
 sirdroseph wrote:
The most overrated band in the history of bands. I am not saying they are all that bad, they are ok, but they are not nor have they ever lived up to the title of "the only band that matters!"{#No} Now, Joe Strummer's solo work, that is another story, he was fantastic once he got on his own and found his own voice!{#Notworthy}
 
You need to listen to them some more..your missing something

Posted 13 years ago by neuticle    [ Reply ]
Nice!
Posted 13 years ago by helgigermany    [ Reply ]
 lemmoth wrote:


How dare you denigrate the late great Lester Bangs.
 
V appropriate track for the state wot Britain is in this week..well southern britain anyway!

Posted 13 years ago by NoIdeaAtAll    [ Reply ]
 sirdroseph wrote:
The most overrated band in the history of bands. I am not saying they are all that bad, they are ok, but they are not nor have they ever lived up to the title of "the only band that matters!"{#No} Now, Joe Strummer's solo work, that is another story, he was fantastic once he got on his own and found his own voice!{#Notworthy}
 

How dare you denigrate the late great Lester Bangs.
Posted 13 years ago by lemmoth    [ Reply ]
{#Yawn}
Posted 13 years ago by yodasan_magoo    [ Reply ]
De lo mejor en los 70´s, digamos preparando el camino para entrar en los 80´s con todavía un mejor album de los mejores London Calling lanzado el 14 de diciembre de 1979, BIEN!!!!

Además este es el comentario 100!!!

And for does that wonder, here we go in English.

From the besto of the 70´s let say paving the way to enter the 80´s with yet another of the best album ever made London Calling released on 14 of december 1979, Great!!!!!  {#Drummer}

And this is comment 100!!!!
Posted 13 years ago by arandaf    [ Reply ]
For some reason, this is the only cut off the orig. UK version of this album which has been
deemed worthy of airplay here on RP as well as here in Chi. on our local original "alternative"
radio station (WXRT).  And for that, I'm quite disappointed.  The whole damn thing ROCKS!!!!!!!!!!!



Posted 13 years ago by treatment_bound    [ Reply ]
A band that never grab my attention. Used to play some of these at area discos, night spots but just never struck me as special. 
Posted 13 years ago by martinc    [ Reply ]

This should have a higher rating! Jeez.



Posted 14 years ago by tralala1980    [ Reply ]
 spaceman wrote:
Whoa, spooky... I was just typing some dummy text ("hey ho let's go"), and pronto - The Clash start playing on RP.
Bill must be psychic.
 
Now if the Ramones had started playing then ...

When I type dummy text I usually type the same thing - "hey ho, let's go".

Posted 14 years ago by Bat    [ Reply ]
 copymonkey wrote:
How 'bout Janie Jones from this record Bill? I came late to the Clash party but I remember thinking, I can only imagine what people must've thought when they unsuspectingly put the needle on groove #1 and on came "Janie Jones". It probably only took a few seconds for them to realize that popular music would never be the same again.
edit: after I wrote this, I realized—records only HAVE one groove. duh.
 
I think the phrase you were looking for is "first cut." But it's groovy with me either way.

Posted 14 years ago by cosmiclint    [ Reply ]
The most overrated band in the history of bands. I am not saying they are all that bad, they are ok, but they are not nor have they ever lived up to the title of "the only band that matters!"{#No} Now, Joe Strummer's solo work, that is another story, he was fantastic once he got on his own and found his own voice!{#Notworthy}
Posted 14 years ago by sirdroseph    [ Reply ]
 j7 wrote:

First, I'd like to send sympathy for being a Swede stuck in Texico.
Secondly, this is not the only band that mattered.
This is not stellar Clash.

 
well thanks for setting us straight there j7!.......{#Cowboy}
Posted 14 years ago by jkhandy    [ Reply ]
Hard to sit still here at work with this playing in my headphones.  {#Dancingbanana}{#Music}{#Dancingbanana_2}
Posted 14 years ago by pauleywalnuts    [ Reply ]
How 'bout Janie Jones from this record Bill? I came late to the Clash party but I remember thinking, I can only imagine what people must've thought when they unsuspectingly put the needle on groove #1 and on came "Janie Jones". It probably only took a few seconds for them to realize that popular music would never be the same again.
edit: after I wrote this, I realized—records only HAVE one groove. duh.
Posted 14 years ago by copymonkey    [ Reply ]
 SweTex wrote:
The only band that really matters on the only radio station that really matters.
 
First, I'd like to send sympathy for being a Swede stuck in Texico.
Secondly, this is not the only band that mattered.
This is not stellar Clash.

Posted 14 years ago by j7    [ Reply ]
 iscoot4peace wrote:
How about adding the Junior Murvin original?  It's awesome.
   Yeah...I've heard that recently.  It's great.


Posted 14 years ago by CamLwalk    [ Reply ]
How about adding the Junior Murvin original?  It's awesome.
Posted 15 years ago by iscoot4peace    [ Reply ]
 suebee3 wrote:
Oh, I get it!  Martha Reeves - then Police and Thieves!  Ok, it all makes sense now!
 
You trying to say something there, Sue?


Posted 15 years ago by Zep    [ Reply ]
Oh, I get it!  Martha Reeves - then Police and Thieves!  Ok, it all makes sense now!
Posted 15 years ago by suebee3    [ Reply ]
The only band that really matters on the only radio station that really matters.
Posted 15 years ago by SweTex    [ Reply ]
I think I prefer the original, but I can jam to this. {#Dancingbanana}
Posted 15 years ago by dggeek    [ Reply ]
Whoa, spooky... I was just typing some dummy text ("hey ho let's go"), and pronto - The Clash start playing on RP.
Bill must be psychic.
Posted 15 years ago by spaceman    [ Reply ]
 peter_james_bond wrote:

Yes he does, even if they are written with blue font colour.
 

{#High-five}
Posted 15 years ago by Hannio    [ Reply ]
This reminds me of my time in jail....me and the boys from E Block would sing this to the pretty boys in the yard.

worked some nice harmonies too.
Posted 15 years ago by EssexTex    [ Reply ]
Probably my favorite version. The Clash were a great band, love to hear them on RP...Thanks!

Posted 15 years ago by Sleepytyme    [ Reply ]
+1 = 9. That bass line, those drums, that accent.  Pardon me while I go tear a hole in my t-shirt.
Posted 15 years ago by islander    [ Reply ]
A song about radar guns into a song about the police, interesting set!
Posted 15 years ago by Radio_Dweeb    [ Reply ]
 peter_james_bond wrote:

Yes he does, even if they are written with blue font colour.
 
ha!

Posted 15 years ago by pope183    [ Reply ]
 Mandible wrote:
Does anyone know if Bill reads our comments?
 
Yes he does, even if they are written with blue font colour.
Posted 15 years ago by peter_james_bond    [ Reply ]
Does anyone know if Bill reads our comments?
Posted 15 years ago by Mandible    [ Reply ]
 jmsmy wrote:
Hi Bill - play some Sandinista - it's a great album -
 
Only one track on file - Washington  Bullets. Uploading anyone?
Posted 15 years ago by HazzeSwede    [ Reply ]
Thirty years on I still love this.  I used to have mix tape of all the Clash reggae songs and dubs run together, it was great car tape.
Posted 15 years ago by etwilson    [ Reply ]
 Limpopoking wrote:
Nah... Sandanista, BOTH discs, by far! Play some Bill... Show 'em!

 crinky wrote:
Best. Clash. Album. Ever!
  
 
What do you mean BOTH?  There were THREE discs.  I think it probably could/should have been edited down to two or even one disc, but that's just my opinion.  Seems like the price was low enough that you sort of got three for the price of two.

Oh, and I like this song.  Also the Junior Marvin original version.

Posted 15 years ago by Bat    [ Reply ]
 SparkyMarky wrote:
Lily, Diazo and the one underneath who I have forgotten - YOU ARE RIGHT!! So, with such imnpeccable taste, go and vote for the Blues ;)
 

Done!
Posted 15 years ago by diazo    [ Reply ]
Nah... Sandanista, BOTH discs, by far! Play some Bill... Show 'em!

 crinky wrote:
Best. Clash. Album. Ever!
 


Posted 15 years ago by Limpopoking    [ Reply ]
Lily, Diazo and the one underneath who I have forgotten - YOU ARE RIGHT!! So, with such imnpeccable taste, go and vote for the Blues ;)
Posted 16 years ago by SparkyMarky    [ Reply ]
Oh yeah!

More of a 10 there could never be.

Posted 16 years ago by AaronOfMackenzie    [ Reply ]
Why won't this @#$*% thing go to 11?!
Posted 16 years ago by diazo    [ Reply ]
KICK ASS!!  {#Dancingbanana_2}
Posted 16 years ago by lily34    [ Reply ]
10

Posted 16 years ago by Curry    [ Reply ]
 Bocephus wrote:
This song holds up well after all the years...
 

So does a Twinkie but ya wouldn't wanna eat it.
Posted 16 years ago by MayBaby    [ Reply ]
Simple, effortless perfection.
Posted 16 years ago by RadioDoc    [ Reply ]
It was 26 years ago this month that I saw the Clash open up for the WHO at Shea Stadium. Long live The Clash.
Posted 16 years ago by TimmyMack    [ Reply ]
One of the best bands of the 20th century.
Posted 16 years ago by Thistle    [ Reply ]
Reminds me very much of Weezer.
Posted 16 years ago by Hannio    [ Reply ]
Thank you for not playing "Rock the Casbah".  Love this song, hate that one. 
Posted 16 years ago by speakerman    [ Reply ]
NorthernLad wrote:
OH YEAH!!
scaring the nation with their guns and ammunition!
Posted 16 years ago by rickhoran    [ Reply ]
oh...yea-aheah!!!
Posted 16 years ago by copymonkey    [ Reply ]
OH YEAH!!
Posted 16 years ago by NorthernLad    [ Reply ]
Bocephus wrote:
This song holds up well after all the years...
It really does. Not surprising since this was fairly ahead of its time wayyyyyy back then
Posted 16 years ago by oufason    [ Reply ]
More Clash, please!
Posted 16 years ago by pattiecovert    [ Reply ]
Meh. Never have gotten the Clash... but the people who like the Clash REALLY like them.
Posted 16 years ago by mrmojorisin    [ Reply ]
Please Bill play the Junior Murvin version too!
Posted 17 years ago by FAY    [ Reply ]
Best. Clash. Album. Ever!
Posted 17 years ago by crinky    [ Reply ]
Y E A H !
Posted 17 years ago by Danny_G    [ Reply ]
Personally, hideous. Nice bass tho.
Posted 17 years ago by nigelr    [ Reply ]
Police and thieves in the streets Oh yeah! Scaring the nation with their guns and ammunition Police and thieves in the street Oh yeah! Fighting the nation with their guns and ammunition From Genesis to Revelation The next generation will be hear me From Genesis to Revelation The next generation will be hear me And all the crowd comes in day by day No one stop it in anyway And all the peacemaker turn war officer Hear what I say Vocal ad lib Police, police, police and thieves oh yeah Police, police, police and thieves oh yeah From Genesis oh yeah Police, police, police and thieves oh yeah Scaring, fighting the nation Shooting, shooting their guns and ammunition Police, police, police and thieves oh yeah Police, police, police and thieves oh yeah Here come, here come, here come The station is bombed Get out get out get out you people If you don't wanna get blown up Vocal ad lib
Posted 17 years ago by Mugro    [ Reply ]
horseplayer wrote:
oh yeah.
Oh Yeah........
Posted 17 years ago by SPACEDOG    [ Reply ]
Hi Bill - play some Sandinista - it's a great album -
Posted 17 years ago by jmsmy    [ Reply ]
oh yeah.
Posted 17 years ago by horseplayer    [ Reply ]
managed to put the worst song in that record, congrats. That is a kick ass album though
Posted 17 years ago by No-thing    [ Reply ]
Always loved it when the Clash played some reggae music!
Posted 17 years ago by treatment_bound    [ Reply ]
horstman wrote:
I turned my son onto the Clash when he was eleven. Now at 12, he has all their albums, plays them all the time, and even dabbles in the Sex Pistols, the Jam, and others from this period.
Fantastic! For me it was my brother who turned me onto all those bands. I was ten, it was the early eighties, and it was all vinyl. Several of those albums are now an integral part of my blood, genome and nervous system...
Posted 17 years ago by sub-arctic    [ Reply ]
I turned my son onto the Clash when he was eleven. Now at 12, he has all their albums, plays them all the time, and even dabbles in the Sex Pistols, the Jam, and others from this period. Couldn't have asked for anything better in that regard.
Posted 18 years ago by horstman    [ Reply ]
This song holds up well after all the years...
Posted 18 years ago by Bocephus    [ Reply ]
Reminds me the movie Lock, Stock, and Two Smoking Barrels
Posted 18 years ago by bgedik    [ Reply ]
trowel wrote:
none of the poser punk bands today can hold a candle to The Clash...
Word.
Posted 18 years ago by Daveinbawlmer    [ Reply ]
none of the poser punk bands today can hold a candle to The Clash...
Posted 18 years ago by trowel    [ Reply ]
The police column of the Telluride newspaper in Colorado is titled Police and Thieves. Think the editor in chief is a Clash fan?
Posted 18 years ago by Alexandra    [ Reply ]
dionysius wrote:
Yeah, Lee Perry produced the original, but it is properly credited to the singer, Junior Murvin. That said, the original is sweet and almost sad compared to how the Clash amped up the anger and frustration in the song. It's a wonderful, classic even, cover of a fantastic reggae tune that might have been forgotten otherwise.
Agreed, and with this song the Clash found a sound, an identity...and, basically, became an honest-to-God rock band. More than a bunch a punks. Not that there's anything wrong with punk, but...
Posted 18 years ago by softjeans    [ Reply ]
Constantine wrote:
Not as good as the original - the words remain but the song has changed.....
I agree, but not a bad effort all the same, and it is The Clash
Posted 18 years ago by tony99    [ Reply ]
oohh... love this song.
Posted 18 years ago by phillips    [ Reply ]
Not as good as the original - the words remain but the song has changed.....
Posted 18 years ago by Constantine    [ Reply ]
great band. Great frontman. RIP.
Posted 18 years ago by sutcliff    [ Reply ]
Wish I could remember more about the show in Toronto. The Roy Thompson hall was all wrong with nothing but seating but...I was there. Now I just have to work on remembering it forever.
Posted 18 years ago by houston    [ Reply ]
good tune
Posted 18 years ago by bcdawgfather    [ Reply ]
formersnowbug wrote:
From Curtis Mayfield to this. This set is so good my head might explode.
He did it again!
Posted 18 years ago by GregK    [ Reply ]
Always loved The Clash. They rule....
Posted 18 years ago by intothevast67    [ Reply ]
What an incredible set. Instant 9.
Posted 18 years ago by BradAl    [ Reply ]
From Curtis Mayfield to this. This set is so good my head might explode.
Posted 19 years ago by formersnowbug    [ Reply ]
Zep wrote:
Thanks, I love this song. The Lee Perry original is reggae and carries its own force, but this version really hits hard.
Yeah, Lee Perry produced the original, but it is properly credited to the singer, Junior Murvin. That said, the original is sweet and almost sad compared to how the Clash amped up the anger and frustration in the song. It's a wonderful, classic even, cover of a fantastic reggae tune that might have been forgotten otherwise.
Posted 19 years ago by dionysius    [ Reply ]
trekhead wrote:
Yeah...and rehab was much cheaper, too.
Come on, I remember $15.00 an ounce! We were incensed when it rose to $20.00.
Posted 19 years ago by mxdcec    [ Reply ]
Videos ruined me. I used to get my own pictures in my head. Now, no matter what Clash song I hear, I expect to see an armadillo running aroundÂ…Where's My ARMADILLO?!?!?!?!
Posted 19 years ago by squidtoad    [ Reply ]
This song was from The Clash's FIRST album (1977), NOT London Calling! ...i love the version they do of this song.
Posted 19 years ago by infamoso    [ Reply ]
THIS IS THE BAND THAT SAVED ROCK AND ROLL.
Posted 19 years ago by BooKitty    [ Reply ]
Skeletor wrote:
Uploaded Wed 18 Aug, 2004 09:33.
Thanks, I love this song. The Lee Perry original is reggae and carries its own force, but this version really hits hard.
Posted 19 years ago by Zep    [ Reply ]
steeler wrote:
Saw them late in their careers in an amphitheater in the foothills outside Santa Barbara, California. Surreal setting.
Saw 'em at the '79 Monterey Pop Festival, close-up. Starched collars standing upright, just dished it out for us to lap up. Sang "Monterey's Burning", to much hoohah and renewed pogoing. Of course this tune was featured as an encore... They came on right after the Chambers Brothers--and that was weird enough--then there was one more act after the Clash that didn't show up. Just when I'd convinced myself that they were the most worthy headliners anyway, Wavy Gravy himself came out and apologized for Linda Ronstadt, a no-show. He then announced that we could all stay for the evening set, which featured Lee Michaels (playing a kit made up to look like trash cans(!)) and Peter Tosh. As magnificent as the Clash were, Tosh began his show by strolling onstage and taking cigarettes from smokers. He handed out at least 20 spliffs to the front row.
Posted 19 years ago by Brad_Eleven    [ Reply ]
daveesh wrote:
sweet. lucky enough to have seen them live. bedlam. freaking bedlam.
Saw them late in their careers in an amphitheater in the foothills outside Santa Barbara, California. Surreal setting.
Posted 19 years ago by steeler    [ Reply ]
sweet. lucky enough to have seen them live. bedlam. freaking bedlam.
Posted 19 years ago by daveesh    [ Reply ]
crowhog2000 wrote:
The Clash.....jeez I miss the 80's when life was simpler and you could get an ounce of brown for $40....gotta go, have a cell phone call and new e-mail 8-<
Yeah...and rehab was much cheaper, too.
Posted 19 years ago by trekhead    [ Reply ]
Not one of their best, but it's alright.
Posted 19 years ago by andersja    [ Reply ]
UncleChig wrote:
...Then you've got to upload more Clash. We need MORE CLASH !
Damn straight! "The only band that matters"
Posted 19 years ago by steeler    [ Reply ]
FilmSurgeon wrote:
Not to say the Clash wouldn't turn in a great performance 20 years on, but sometimes its better to just be happy knowing how great they were from recordings, films and anecdotes. And not tarnish the legend. Know wot I mean?
Check out the film Rude Boy, to accentuate your point.
Posted 19 years ago by redeyespy    [ Reply ]
The Clash.....jeez I miss the 80's when life was simpler and you could get an ounce of brown for $40....gotta go, have a cell phone call and new e-mail 8-<
Posted 19 years ago by crowhog2000    [ Reply ]
maceo wrote:
Reunion tour would have been nice.
Maybe not. I had the displeasure of seeing the Sex Pistols for the 1st time on their most recent go round in 2003. They didn't come close to the show I'd envisioned in my head. It was most Rotten. Not to say the Clash wouldn't turn in a great performance 20 years on, but sometimes its better to just be happy knowing how great they were from recordings, films and anecdotes. And not tarnish the legend. Know wot I mean?
Posted 20 years ago by FilmSurgeon    [ Reply ]
I saw Joe sing this at the Troubador mere months before he died. He blew the roof of the building off. What a great show. :(
Posted 20 years ago by Angloray    [ Reply ]
namesbenny wrote:
Yeah, this is my favorite next to only White Man in Hammersmith Palais. This is a cover of Lee Perry, right?
please upload White Man in Hammersmith! my favorite too (except for Hateful and I'm so bored with the USA, maybe. Oh, and maybe Career Opportunities and...never mind) ;)
Posted 20 years ago by Angloray    [ Reply ]
UncleChig wrote:
...Then you've got to upload more Clash. We need MORE CLASH !
Yeah, this is my favorite next to only White Man in Hammersmith Palais. This is a cover of Lee Perry, right?
Posted 20 years ago by namesbenny    [ Reply ]
Skeletor wrote:
Uploaded Wed 18 Aug, 2004 09:33.
...Then you've got to upload more Clash. We need MORE CLASH !
Posted 20 years ago by UncleChig    [ Reply ]
This was the most mellow song on the Clash's first album, "The Clash." Much better album than "London Calling."
Posted 20 years ago by LazyMF    [ Reply ]
Reunion tour would have been nice.
Posted 20 years ago by maceo    [ Reply ]
yahoo!!! just love the old clash, this album (yes *album*) was very cool too - just that much cooler than elvis!
Posted 20 years ago by islander    [ Reply ]
this, i feel compelled to comment, has been one *-ING FANTASTIC block of music...
Posted 20 years ago by rah    [ Reply ]
Uploaded Wed 18 Aug, 2004 09:33.
Posted 20 years ago by Skeletor    [ Reply ]