wyrd wrote:
Yep!  Not one of their best.  I gave it an EIGHT!  Still a GOOD TUNE!

Rump
Great music  PJ  : )

TRUMP

 djblitz wrote: 
It's not exactly the best song by Pearl Jam... although I like it a lot! But yes, 1 is probably excessive!

The overwhelming number of people in the music industry worldwide despise people like George W Bush and Donald Trump.  Mainly because they have a heart while the aforementioned politicians are sociopaths.

Not sure if lots of 1 votes for the song, or because RP is infested with Bush supporters. 

Bold message in the lyrics! Many lamentable things went down during that shameful period. Heaven help us yet if we choose to forget!

PJ defines grunge. And I mean that in a good way. 😊

I sure miss the ;puke; emoticon.

Bush was born on third and thought he got a triple.

great song

petesoper wrote: Fair 'nuff, I think Pipes' point is that Eddie Vetter's opinion on world affairs is not entitled to special consideration just because he's a well-known rock star. (If it's not Pipes' point, it's mine anyway.)

Pipes wrote: The folks that listen to RP should be above ad hominem arguments. Some of the greatest artists in history have suffered very troubled lives, been illiterate, etc. This hasn't kept them from expressing the zeitgeist. Not to suggest Eddie is great: only more time will put that in proper "prospective." I think we should factor Eddie's statement in with the rest of the discussion going on in the USA.

CanuckBeaker wrote: You might also try Victor Davis Hanson, James Lileks, and brothersjudd.com.

I love Pearl Jam...to me the band can do very little wrong...I love their passion...but I really can't stand this song.

Last_DJ wrote: If you ain't angry, you ain't paying attention, sonny.... Personally, I'm seriously pissed off with the governor & his fascist empire that was once America, respected by the international community for being the protectors of global freedoms...

dewinter wrote: ... make that "tract." And I don't mean that in a good way.

What happened to Pearl Jam?!

This is crap. Might make a good poem or speech -- hell, I'd even applaud -- but it's no PJ song.

Another pathetically unmelodic song caused by Bush Derangement Syndrome. If you or someone you know may be suffering from BDS, you should know that there is help available. . . .

PJ hit one out of the park with this political track...

Awful.

justDave wrote: Not yet, almost a year later, even though 1800 plus G.I.s have died in a war fought because of their supposed presence.

It's about time we started hearing some decent protest songs. I agree this one isn't the greatest, but it's nice to see someone besided Steve Earle stirring things up.

Geez this is crapp-tacular. Some bands are good at being politicians, some bands need to just rock out. This band needs to just rock out. But then again, maybe they can't anymore, forgot how mebbe. :roll:

That Bill sure knows how to stir things up, doesn't he? By the way, I'm a moderate republican (growing increasingly disillusioned with republicans in office, I'm sad to say) and I kind of liked this song. Remember, these are just musicians (Pearl Jam, Dixie Chicks, Springsteen, etc) expressing opinions. I've been annoyed at times at concerts when they started speaking out instead of singing, which is what I paid for (to hear them SING live). But then again, it IS their right to speak out...it's tough sometimes seeing both sides of an argument.

I miss the Even Flow days...

Last_DJ wrote: Foolish assumption from a foolish observation. I guess you have not listened to anything after Vitalogy. And if possible check out the B-sides too, would you believe that they wrote a song about Dennis Rodman, and about a serial killer tour bus driver (supposedly).

lbrc wrote: baa baa sheeple the country hasn't been this divided since the civil war. worldwide respect? you call 20 million people simultaneously protesting george bush worldwide respect? the schools got shafted (read al franken's new book for the FACTS on that) the mideast road map isn't very good cause...right now they seem pretty lost and notice, the dude never said that you didn't get a nice tax break. i got one too. but a majority of those tax breaks went to wealthy individuals and corporations. more of that money SHOULD'VE gone to the unwealthy, but instead, people like dick cheney got a $65,000 tax break.

I don\'t recall...Have we discovered those weapons of mass destruction yet? Enquiring minds want to know.

I wonder if Eddie Vedder is ever happy, you guys ever wonder the same thing?? Bono and Michael Stipe have their causes, but they lighten up once in a while

Aside from Pearl Jam jumping on the Bush Hatemonger Bandwagon, their music has grown tired. Eddie Vedder & Co. take themselves much to serious to be tolerated anymore. Bored with them, but that\'s just me. Everyone else enjoy the Bush-Bashing party! Woo-Hoo! :)

Ahhh, the sot has spoken. :roll:

Your right, Gore knows how to write. Gore also completed his entire military duty. Where was the grounded pilot Bush? AWOL '72-73? There are thousands of unclaimed USD for anyone who can prove Bush didn't go AWOL between 1972-1973. awolbush.com go for it! the money prize is waiting to be collected!

I think you need to recheck/consider the source of your information. The bottom line is, dubya's bro being governor of the state did affect how the vote was processed and gotten, even to the point of preventing potential voters (alot of which were minorities) from even being able to get through to the polls. And that does not constitute a legal election, at least not according to the Constitution (but this admin's trampled on that to the point of extinction so far so I guess that wouldn't matter much to all pro-dubyas out there) :oops: :(

As I recall, after all the official and unofficial recounts, Bush and not Gore did win the vote in FL. In that it is who wins the electorial college and not the "popular vote", I'd say Bush was elected.

right on, being voted into the Presidency by ONE Supreme Court Justice (check your facts all naysayers) is NOT DULY ELECTED BY THE PEOPLE of this country!!!!!!!!! and oh by the way, doesn't anybody wonder or care that all the "weapons of mass destruction" they are spending all our tax money on to seize were never found?!?! I would think that the families of the people killed over there (American and Iraqi) would. :p

Any person outside of her own country becomes a *spokesperson* for the entire country whenever she opens her mouth? The namecalling and stereotypical generalizing at the end of this paragraph pretty much ends any connection you had with credibility. I do agree with you that the Chicks should take responsibility for their actions. If they speak up against war and their sales suffer, well, sometimes that's the price of taking a stand. I think the song is pretty neat. Some clever lines, as noted below. Sure, Bush is an easy target, but he's a big, dangerous easy target, which makes it worthwhile to target him.

And your point is...?

That's right, he was elected - by the Supreme Court.

It upsets people when you play this apparently. Please play it more!

Let's just keep in mind who is pointing things out. I don't think that talented as he may be, Eddie Vedder is a role model for anyone unless hard drinking is your ultimate goal in life. If you check his credentials, he is a very qualified rock star but has no education, no experience in politics, no grasp of economics nor international diplomacy. He is an american citizen and therefore has the right to express his opinion as he sees fit. But people, lets keep things in prospective, it is just a rock star's opinion.

a lot of music - and classic music - has been recorded with heavily political messages in it. woody guthrie - as american as they come - is just one example. the star-spangled banner would have been regarded as "all-important sheeple feeding" by certain segments of english aristocracy too lbrc. it's all about point-of-view. so don't tell me it isn't music - it just isn't *your* kind of music! :) i thought when the dixie chicks expressed their opinions they were expressing their opinions, not "speaking for the majority"? that appears to be your twist on things. and that sentence alone embodies the problem with people who are boycotting the dixie chicks - *you* think you are speaking for the majority and, as a result, are allowed to cow and muzzle anyone who doesn't agree with your opinion. that's called "tyranny of the majority" and i thought it wasn't supposed to be part of a democracy. the bandwagon rush to support an illegal war because of a tragic event that no one has ever proved has any link to iraq shows the sad state of affairs in this country. terrorism is not simply a manifestation of evil - although it certainly has that component - it is a sign of real problems elsewhere in the world. these problems don't justify terrorism, but they certainly give rise to it. why else would there be such popularity for it amongst the downtrodden and desperate countries of the world. all it took was some zealots and some cash for the frustration and pain of millions to be expressed by maniacs. we won't solve the problem by killing terrorists - although we will have to prosecute and seek them out legally - we must help address problems like aids, poverty, pollution, and corruption because all of these problems aid in destroying civlized society and promoting desperate tactics like terrorism. bush is using 9/11 as an excuse for a reactionary agenda that involves inflicting our power on regions of the world that his handlers deem important (a certain mr.rove for example) and will aid in propping up a pathetic administration that has done nothing for the country itself except give tax breaks to the wealthier citizens. we have established a horrible precedent with this war - one that i fear will encourage other countries to arm themselves even more strongly so as to escape the wrath of the usa. as proof, look to north korea, who has been far more egregious in their lawless behavior than iraq ever was. but they have nukes and also china and russia happen to be close by - so we invade the easy target iraq. the war wasn't about justice or even oil, it was about politics and power. i believe i am thinking for myself now and don't care whether it is for the majority or not - so you may now begin your boycott of me lbrc. - riff

Wahhh Wahhh , Whine, Garble, Blah! Havent we heard enough of this garbage??

Is Eddy Vedder going for the mumbling ozzy osbourne effect?

Speaking of the Dixie Chicks, Bruce Springsteen weighs in: Springsteen Offers Support To Dixie Chicks (4/23/03, 7 a.m. ET) -- Bruce Springsteen has issued a statement supporting the country trio the Dixie Chicks, who have suffered backlash, including radio playlist bans, after singer Natalie Maines' comments to a British concert audience in March protesting President George Bush's actions towards Iraq. Posted at brucespringsteen.net, Springsteen's statement reads: "The Dixie Chicks have taken a big hit lately for exercising their basic right to express themselves, To me, they're terrific American artists expressing American values by using their American right to free speech. For them to be banished wholesale from radio stations, and even entire radio networks, for speaking out is un-American. The pressure coming from the government and big business to enforce conformity of thought concerning the war and politics goes against everything that this country is about - namely freedom. Right now, we are supposedly fighting to create free speech in Iraq, at the same time that some are trying to intimidate and punish people for using that same freedom here at home. I don't know what happens next, but I do want to add my voice to those who think that the Dixie Chicks are getting a raw deal, and an un-American one to boot. I send them my support." Springsteen has made anti-war statements of his own during his concerts this year--sometimes playing the late Motown singer Edwin Starr's protest hit "War"--and in other concert comments has also bemoaned the loss of civil liberties.

great lyric, isn't it? For those interested, here is a review of Pearl Jam's concert last night in St. Louis.... Pearl Jam refocuses on the music in fulfilling show The band remains a dominant force in its live shows. By KEVIN C. JOHNSON Post-Dispatch 04/23/2003 Pearl Jam fans who turned out looking for the sort of controversy that accompanied the tour opener in Denver might have been initially disappointed by the grunge pioneers' Savvis Center concert Tuesday night. But the disappointment was certainly short, considering the invigorating set the band delivered. (Would fans accept anything less?) At the Denver show earlier this month, during an encore performance of the song "Bushleaguer" from the band's latest CD "Riot Act," singer Eddie Vedder impaled a mask of President George W. Bush on a microphone stand. A smattering of fans booed and told Vedder to shut up as the singer used his platform to express anti-war views during the height of the war in Iraq. By the time the tour found its way to St. Louis, Vedder had eliminated the mask stunt and softened his remarks. Near the end of the show, he told the crowd it was important to get whatever they were feeling out in the open, to express themselves, whether through painting, writing or communicating. "Just not fighting," Vedder said, before performing "Indifference" from the 1993 CD "Vs." After hitting the road with a bang and garnering headlines the tour wouldn't have had otherwise, Pearl Jam is quietly retreating into its above-standard rock show minus the political overtones. Even a poke at Bill Gates during a song about greed, "Soon Forget," which Vedder performed solo on ukulele, was scaled back. Vedder had been using a Gates mask when he performed the song, but that is now gone. But, in the end, what mattered was that Pearl Jam's music remains strong 12 years after the band's debut. Although it may not be a megaforce on the CD sales charts anymore - neither "Riot Act" nor its singles are on the Billboard charts this week - the band remains a dominant force in its live shows. Pearl Jam came to rock over the course of its fulfilling 2 1/2-hour concert. Fans came ready for a good time, too, with "Eddie Vedder for President" T-shirts, balloons with song requests on them - fans who requested the classic "Black" got their wish - and participatory hand claps, fist pumps, arm waves and Bic flicks. Pearl Jam mixed up favorites ("Even Flow," "Daughter," "Go," "Rearviewmirror") with rarely performed songs ("Sleight of Hand" from "Binaural") and "Riot Act" selections ("You Are," "Green Disease") for a set that featured firepower without any actual pyrotechnics. Vedder, who remains one of rock's greatest voices, was never more lively than he was on "Alive," as the crowd watched him bounce around, smile and hype up fans from the corner of the stage. Guitarist Mike McCready delivered several showy solos that entertained despite their excess. With concerts as vital as this one, Pearl Jam reestablishes why it's one of the modern-rock era's most necessary acts. Sparta opened the concert.

what sort of station do you listen to? i hear plenty of pearl jam radio play - both old and new.edited by mperry at 2:12 pm on 4/23/2003

bitter, table for one...what do you tell the parents of the 100+ kids that were locked up in hussein's gulag? we shouldn't have interfered?...the inspectors might have found them in a few years?...have you ever had one of your kids taken away to force you to comply with a corrupt government? tell me again about the "immoral" part? if clinton ran this war, you wouldn't say a thing...you're just bitter about bush winning in florida, and you are letting this bitterness literally drive you insane. it's actually fun to watch.

An OK song with lyrics that express the right sentiments. The war in Iraq is immoral and people like Eddie Vedder are heroes for speaking out even though right wing corporations like Clear Channel will undoubtedly try to punish them for it. As for the Dixie Chicks, their album didn\'t drop at all in the charts and their concerts continue to sell out so I guess they weren\'t hurt by all the so-called bad publicity. I\'m just glad that the unelected idiot\'s term ends in 19 months.

Hear Hear! The Warbling wonder has gone too far with his PC crap!

What the hell is this crap? I like a lot of Pearl Jam stuff, and I\'ve never heard this before. What were they thinking?!

\"drilling for fear makes the job simple\" right on.

i suppose the training 747 fuselage in iraq that they used to help train hijackers how to effectively take over was merely a coincidence?...after the last gulf war, the price of gas dropped after the war was over...so who got rich off of that?...if oil was the big deal, we\'re already in kuwait...they\'ve got more oil than they know what to do with...we could take it over tomorrow, if it really was about oil...as for the innocents that\'ll be killed, most of the ones killed will be ones put in the way by hussein...the rest will be free when we finish...you know, freedom...it\'s that concept that\'s talked about a lot by the left, but not really desired when you get right down to it...

The countless women and children that no doubt are gonna die as a result of this war too? They want all of you dead too? Huh? Were they (Dubbya and his Klan) able to show any link at all between Al-Quaeda and Iraq? No, because there isn't any. I believe it was Time-Europe who investigated how much percent of US-citizens believed that one or more of the 9-11 terrorists came from Iraq. I believe only 5% or so had it right: none of the terrorists had any connection to Iraq! This war will be about oil and money, not about terrorism. They (Bush and his Klan) are already dividing up Iraq, who gets what part, before one square meter has been conquered.

so nice that this is played practically on a daily basis. :roll: (yawn)

another thoughtless p.c. tune about something they know nothing about...what part of \'they want us all dead\' do all these people not understand? sheesh. these are the same people that jumped all over bush\'s case three months after 9/11, demanding to know what he knew and when he knew it, and why he didn\'t do anything to prevent it. now bush is doing that, and he still gets grief..can\'t have it both ways...

I would happily pay $8 a gallon for gas like the rest of the world does if it meant we ceased meddling in foreign affairs under the guise of "humanitarian" invervention, or to clean up the mess we made previously in ensuring cheap oil. For a country that supposedly believes in the free market, we sure have a lot of price fixes in. If the rest of the world has oil and doesn't want to sell it to us, that's their RIGHT. If they want to jack up the prices, that's their RIGHT. It's THEIR oil. The free market would dictate that if prices got too high, we should seek alternative oil sources and alternative energy sources. But then if the SUV driver has to pay the same price for gas as the rest of the world, they won't be able to afford to drive them. What THEN will they drive to compensate for their tiny phallus? You're RIGHT -- start bombing NOW!!!

I\'m just thrilled to hear some Pearl Jam that isn\'t done to death on the radio! Woohoo!! As for what he said, I have to admit I really didn\'t pay any attention...just heard that so-sexy-Vedder voice and didn\'t really care...was it political? hehe I\'m one of those weird folks who never pays attention to lyrics that much, just the music, and the quality of and the emotion in the voice.

Who's gonna read this? And it is fine if you dislike the band, the song, me and anything else. But, how much education, what qualifications, must one have before it is acceptable to express an opinion? Are people less informed because, essentially, you disagree with their sentiment? Living the 'ol "rock star" life, I would imagine Eddie and the boys might well have ample time to read up on what's up - quite likely more time for study than most. Ah, but the end result is not to your liking so he is "dumb". I don't know about you, but in my time I have met MANY a college "educated" person that wasn't. By the way, is all of the Lennon output - as one example - dismissed by you for the same reason as that used against Pearl Jam: some of the songs having political expression (many would say simplistic or idealistic) with which you disagree. Or, as I said earlier, maybe it is all political expression with which you disagree or find foolish. Or political expression by the "wrong" people. Whatever, nevermind. I am glad Pearl Jam, faced life, trudged onward and kept on keeping on. "Riot Act" is mostly personal, not political, but I will still buy Pearl Jam cd's anyway.