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Messin' around with every guy in town,
Puttin' me down for thinkin' of someone new.
Always the same, playin' your game,
Drive me insane, trouble is gonna come to you,
One of these days and it won't be long,
You'll look for me but baby, I'll be gone.
This is all I gotta say to you woman:
*Your Time Is Gonna Come X4
Made up my mind to break you this time,
Won't be so fine, it's my turn to cry.
Do want you want, I won't take the brunt.
It's fadin' away, can't feel you anymore.
Don't care what you say 'cause I'm goin' away to stay,
Gonna make you pay for that great big hole in my heart.
People talkin' all around,
Watch out woman, no longer
Is the joke gonna be on my heart.
You been bad to me woman,
But it's coming back home to you.
* Chorus
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Black Mountain Side (instrumental)
I was a mere 7 when it came out, but I had teenage siblings.
Wonderful stuff
Breaks my heart to have realized it but Page was one of the worst plagiarists of our times. Several egregious examples stand out: Bert Jansch's Black Water Side was ripped off completely when Page did Black Mountain Side and again when his arrangement of The Waggoners Lad was stolen for Brony Aur Stomp. Davey Grahams She Moved Through The Fair was turned into White Summer and Page had the balls to confabulate a story that he "learned Eastern Music styles while backpacking through India" which was precisely how Graham went on to innovate the DADGAD sitar style tuning Page ripped off. Jake Holme's Dazed and Confused was note for note theft. Breeden's lovely arrangement of the folk ballad Babe I'm Gonna Leave You, the Willie Dixon, the Howling Wolf, all of it stolen. It is clear that Page and his lawyers took the "fuck em, let em sue us" approach to doing business. The chickens are coming home to roost. Read this piece and go to the sources. It's an eye opener. https://alanwalkerart.com/wp/?tag=bert-jansch
OR alternatively... don't let the trolls get you down and don't bother with thewisebile's efforts to bring down LZ and Jimmy Page and, instead, just enjoy the music from one of the greatest rock and roll bands in history.
thewiseking wrote: I don't care what anyone tells ya kids, it's wrong to steal
S-curvy wrote:
thewiseking: Here's the sad news: It may be hard to believe, but musicians are collaborative by nature, they're social, the like to play together (called "jamming'"), and this is where each one tries out new ideas, listens to their mates' ideas and techniques, offers some insight (good or bad), and then everyone goes home with new ideas that they experiment with.
Who's to say that this artist or that artist was the "O-riginal?" Amazingly, all contemporary Western music can be traced back to the "Deis Irae," so by your standard, every musician in recorded history is a ripoff artist. Who's to say that Page didn't first come up with some of the musical themes or phrasing that was then picked up and adapted by the umpteen artists you cite, and then he came back and diddled with them some more? Were you personally there? Remember, there's a world of difference between what any of us KNOWS versus what we BELIEVE.
In the end, Led Zeppelin and Page fuckin' delivered the goods better than any of the other musicians you reference did, and that "thewiseking" is the history of why LZ is one of the gold standards.
I get the why thewiseking wrote what he did, Page took some pretty big liberties claiming songs as his own work, but in this case his comment of the mark. This is a traditional folk song with, apparently, an Irish lineage and is inherently part of the public domain.
Down by Blackwaterside - Wikipedia
gotta agree. Had the pleasure of seeing DZ in a dive bar down in the Cleveburg Flats some 20 years ago. Peabody's Down Under for any who might remember. They were a total hoot. Tight and fun as all get out.
Most all of their versions of LZ songs are awesome actually.
If only it rolled on into Communication Breakdown...
that drumming
hold it...
i mean that guitar
It's inescapable, Bill's favourite band is Led Zep.
none of Page's fan boys nor Page himself will clear his name. Page indicted himself, not so much through artistic theft but by refusing to acknowledge the theft and attribute the sources, even after having grown fabulously rich. the good thing about youtube and the internet is that we are now in an age of information. Page fooled you but he hasn't fooled our kids. they have easy access to all of the sources
When pushed to elaborate, Jansch continued, "Well, he ripped me off, didn't he? Or let's just say he learned from me. I wouldn't want to sound impolite."
thewiseking: Here's the sad news: It may be hard to believe, but musicians are collaborative by nature, they're social, the like to play together (called "jamming'"), and this is where each one tries out new ideas, listens to their mates' ideas and techniques, offers some insight (good or bad), and then everyone goes home with new ideas that they experiment with.
Who's to say that this artist or that artist was the "O-riginal?" Amazingly, all contemporary Western music can be traced back to the "Deis Irae," so by your standard, every musician in recorded history is a ripoff artist. Who's to say that Page didn't first come up with some of the musical themes or phrasing that was then picked up and adapted by the umpteen artists you cite, and then he came back and diddled with them some more? Were you personally there? Remember, there's a world of difference between what any of us KNOWS versus what we BELIEVE.
In the end, Led Zeppelin and Page fuckin' delivered the goods better than any of the other musicians you reference did, and that "thewiseking" is the history of why LZ is one of the gold standards.
This is a really dreadful take. It suggests that all Western music is to some degree plagiarized, and therefore it's not useful to regard any work as plagiarized. That's a really lazy slippery-slope argument that I hope no one else here is buying, despite the upvotes on it.
The bones of this argument are valid: music is fundamentally a collaborative activity, and musicians are constantly inspiring each other and borrowing from each other. It's a tension that has existed since the dawn of creation -- as Steve Jobs put it, "Good artists borrow. Great artists steal." (A quote he lifted from Pablo Picasso, who rephrased Igor Stravinsky, who was inspired by T.S. Eliot. and so on.)
But the fact that music is a constant act of borrowing from each other does not mean that we can't draw a useful distinction between "borrowing" and "stealing." There is a spectrum of behavior here that ranges from "vague inspiration" to "note-for-note copying". It's a distinction that's sometimes hard to draw, and leaves room for reasonable people can disagree -- and sometimes it's very clear and unambiguous.
Black Mountain Side is a pretty unambiguous case. It is taken directly from Bert Jansch's version of the tune. Of course Jansch is playing a traditional Irish folk song, which itself has inspired many other versions -- but Black Mountain Side uses specific guitar riffs and phrases that do not appear in other artists' versions of the song. There really isn't room to argue about whether Jimmy Page stole this from Bert Jansch -- only to argue that what he did isn't really "stealing" because artists do this to each other all the time, and that's a pretty silly argument.
Led Zeppelin struck it big for a lot of reasons. One is that they are very, very good at what they do. Jimmy Page is certainly one of the best guitarists of the twentieth century. I'm not going to dispute that. But that doesn't mean that they are incapable of stealing work from less successful artists. You can love Led Zep and still recognize that they behaved in pretty rotten ways sometimes. This is one of those.
thewiseking: Here's the sad news: It may be hard to believe, but musicians are collaborative by nature, they're social, the like to play together (called "jamming'"), and this is where each one tries out new ideas, listens to their mates' ideas and techniques, offers some insight (good or bad), and then everyone goes home with new ideas that they experiment with.
Who's to say that this artist or that artist was the "O-riginal?" Amazingly, all contemporary Western music can be traced back to the "Deis Irae," so by your standard, every musician in recorded history is a ripoff artist. Who's to say that Page didn't first come up with some of the musical themes or phrasing that was then picked up and adapted by the umpteen artists you cite, and then he came back and diddled with them some more? Were you personally there? Remember, there's a world of difference between what any of us KNOWS versus what we BELIEVE.
In the end, Led Zeppelin and Page fuckin' delivered the goods better than any of the other musicians you reference did, and that "thewiseking" is the history of why LZ is one of the gold standards.
There are some people with mental issues and the inability to understand how all artists feed on each other. Chords, chromatic sequences, riffs, cadences, etc, etc, etc, they all interact. There is nothing new under the sun. They provide to their music their own original color. For whatever reason, some people just can't give these group credit for their own originality.
thewiseking: Here's the sad news: It may be hard to believe, but musicians are collaborative by nature, they're social, the like to play together (called "jamming'"), and this is where each one tries out new ideas, listens to their mates' ideas and techniques, offers some insight (good or bad), and then everyone goes home with new ideas that they experiment with.
Who's to say that this artist or that artist was the "O-riginal?" Amazingly, all contemporary Western music can be traced back to the "Deis Irae," so by your standard, every musician in recorded history is a ripoff artist. Who's to say that Page didn't first come up with some of the musical themes or phrasing that was then picked up and adapted by the umpteen artists you cite, and then he came back and diddled with them some more? Were you personally there? Remember, there's a world of difference between what any of us KNOWS versus what we BELIEVE.
In the end, Led Zeppelin and Page fuckin' delivered the goods better than any of the other musicians you reference did, and that "thewiseking" is the history of why LZ is one of the gold standards.
Give this man a cookie
Is it wrong that I just want to enjoy the music?
Of course not, but do you care whether artists are compensated? Or that their work be protected? Let us enjoy Zep music, but let them acknowledge their sources.
Yes. Just now had to crank up the monitors, stand in the middle of the room and wait for it...because you don't walk out on a moment like that.
- KMET Los Angeles
And you got it today....hooray!!
Is it wrong that I just want to enjoy the music?
Not wrong at all......LLRP!!
Is it wrong that I just want to enjoy the music?
Your defense of Page is admirable, but seems naively defensive. I'm a Zep fan too, but no one can deny the amount of actionable evidence of "adapting", "borrowing", "stealing" (pick any one!) by Page -- unattributed and uncompensated.
Page blames Plant for most of the "thefts" - which makes sense since the lyrics are often the most obvious in these "rip off" scenarios. This RS article does a great job of sourcing the Blues tunes used by LZ and shining the light on them. I'm still a fan of LZ's output....maybe it's the Blues roots that makes the "adaptations" palatable to me. Long Live RP!!
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Who's to say that Page didn't first come up with some of the musical themes or phrasing that was then picked up and adapted by the umpteen artists you cite, and then he came back and diddled with them some more? Were you personally there? Remember, there's a world of difference between what any of us KNOWS versus what we BELIEVE.
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Your defense of Page is admirable, but seems naïvely defensive. I'm a big Zep fan too, but no one can deny the amount of actionable evidence of "adapting", "borrowing", "stealing" (pick any one!) by Page -- unattributed and uncompensated.
10 from me. Love Zep.
LOL
What a debut album... Beginning to end!
thewiseking: Here's the sad news: It may be hard to believe, but musicians are collaborative by nature, they're social, the like to play together (called "jamming'"), and this is where each one tries out new ideas, listens to their mates' ideas and techniques, offers some insight (good or bad), and then everyone goes home with new ideas that they experiment with.
Who's to say that this artist or that artist was the "O-riginal?" Amazingly, all contemporary Western music can be traced back to the "Deis Irae," so by your standard, every musician in recorded history is a ripoff artist. Who's to say that Page didn't first come up with some of the musical themes or phrasing that was then picked up and adapted by the umpteen artists you cite, and then he came back and diddled with them some more? Were you personally there? Remember, there's a world of difference between what any of us KNOWS versus what we BELIEVE.
In the end, Led Zeppelin and Page fuckin' delivered the goods better than any of the other musicians you reference did, and that "thewiseking" is the history of why LZ is one of the gold standards.
Impossible!
You should ask Bill with a PM or on the RP Forum. As he and/or Rebecca note on the RP front page, that feature is coming.
Have you tried the FLAC stream on your phone? Pretty wowser.
Or is it the man (e.g., Keith Moon, Ginger Baker, Ringo Starr)... something in the English water system?
IndyDoug wrote:
crikey, I wouldn't mind having that on the playlist. Love Bert Jansch. Was heavily into Pentangle back in the day.
Maybe it's just that the music you hear from "nowadays" is lacking creativity to you, but there are still plenty of creative people making music all over the world. It may take a little more work to find it though. I imagine a lot of people in their 40s, 50s, and 60s back in 1969 didn't think that this (or much of rock 'n' roll) was very creative back then.
nemfield wrote:
Wish I could rate this one higher.
TODAY: 47 ALZ, 47 YEARS SINCE THE YEAR OF LED ZEPPELIN
DOMINUS VOBISCUM
SPLZQR
Long live RP and LZ!!
That's the best idea I've heard in years.
IndyDoug wrote:
THIS IS A FIRST!
(sneaky to put both names under the same heading like that)
Nah, there are several other occasions where they do that, but I think they also have the titles combined like this pairing does.
THIS IS A FIRST!
(sneaky to put both names under the same heading like that)
This is one of those songs for me.
Love the big organ intro.
Close the door. Crank it!
Wish it did.....
.... like ham and eggs, baby.
Most famous cover band of all time.
If you haven't already give Bert Jansch's Black Water Side a listen.
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Now I can BLAST SOME FUKKIN' ZEP BABY!!! WOOOO-YEAH!!!
Why am I the first?