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The drumming is irritating and interferes with the melody!
YES. You are correct. I just muttered this to myself ...
Jazz haters mystify me, particularly those from the US. An American who hates jazz is like a Frenchman who hates French. Jazz is the only truly American art form and while there's no accounting for personal taste, if you were born in the US (or even if you weren't) and have never bothered to learn anything about jazz, I think you're doing yourself a disservice.
Saying "I hate jazz" is as silly as saying "I hate food". By definition, there are countless styles and flavors of jazz to experience β some you'll dislike and some you'll find that you appreciate... but only if you learn something about the form and listen to as many variations as you can get your ears around, instead of just whining like a toddler about something you know nothing about.
It seems to me that becoming a well-rounded, educated, compassionate adult human being takes courage, patience and curiosity - among other things. C'mon β be brave, dig in to it (in spite of your reservations) and look for what you've been missing. The worst that can happen is that you'll actually be well-informed about the cause of your discomfort.
Awesome insightful take. Thank you.
Don't mind the music but the drumming is really annoying. And I'm a drummer.
i was just going to say this, except i'm not a drummer. the drumming is very annoying.
The original off the Aphex Twin album Come to Daddy is surprisingly similar with the exception that itβs all electronic and features a drum machine. What is outstanding to me (a non drummer) is that a real acoustic drummer can mimic it. Brilliant Brilliant Brilliant.
One of the basic drumming strokes is a "flam." Wonder if the song's named "Flim" as a sly reference ... done with a wink and a nod, you know.
The original from the Aphex Twin album Come to Daddy is surprisingly similar with the exception that itβs all electronic and features a drum machine. What is outstanding to me (a non-drummer) is that a real acoustic drummer can mimic it. Brilliant Brilliant Brilliant.
This is what drummers refer to as "overplaying". Licks that any competent jazz drummer could play, performed in a show-off, self-indulgent way with little or no regard for the piece or other players.
It's likely the rest of the band wanted the drummer to play this song the way he did on this recording. For one thing, it mimics the drum track from the original recording of this song.
Take some jazz drummer dude messing around on the drums...add a child's piano practice lesson, throw in an occasional bass and get a song that's played on Radio Paradise!
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Jazz haters mystify me, particularly those from the US. An American who hates jazz is like a Frenchman who hates French. Jazz is the only truly American art form and while there's no accounting for personal taste, if you were born in the US (or even if you weren't) and have never bothered to learn anything about jazz, I think you're doing yourself a disservice.
This is what drummers refer to as "overplaying". Licks that any competent jazz drummer could play, performed in a show-off, self-indulgent way with little or no regard for the piece or other players.
Agreed. The drummer 'can' play, but [s]he doesn't need to prove it all through the entire song.
Gave it a 4 first. But now knowing they actually play the song acoustic and manually... 4 -> 7
This is what drummers refer to as "overplaying". Licks that any competent jazz drummer could play, performed in a show-off, self-indulgent way with little or no regard for the piece or other players.
Flim and the BBs worked with Sony[?] and/or Columbia[?] and I think this was a cut from one of the very first music CDs ever produced and released. A former NASA engineer from the 1960's turned me on to them around 1990.
(He also worked for me later and helped us release the first time anyone had publicly played CDs from a computer, with one of the early beta CD drives for PCs with a SCSI interface, that just also happened to include a jack for earphones, so it someone wanted to write software to make it play music, it would play a CD. AFter one of my engineers did exactly that, we played it during the FOSE trade show in Washington, DC.)
I checked out the Wikipedia article to see what association there was with F&BB. One of the founders of B+, Ethan Iverson has a blog that is its own Wiki that covers the history of Jazz, including articles and composers from early Gershwin on. I learned more about both jazz history, and the composition of jazz than a knew existed. If you have ANY interest in Jazz, visit his blog: https://ethaniverson.com/
I am also very sure now that the title Flim was not an accident. He teaches music, and music history. B+ started around 1989, even thought their first record was a decade later. He is also from Wisconsin, as was F&BB I think. Given Ethan's broad and extensive coverage of jazz, it is impossible that he wasn't fully familiar with F&BB's work. If someone else is interested, forward this post to him and I am very sure he would respond.
Proclivities wrote:
Old_Pat wrote:
Thanks for that. Wonderful. And, they're performing at a club in Paris!
See him performing:https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
Handmade indeed.
Yep.
HA!! Dave's videos are the best.
Mayor Quimby and the Springfield tourism council want you to... FLIM SPRINGFIELD! (Our town is so hot, we do not need a large ad or even correct spelling!)
The original from the Aphex Twin album Come to Daddy is surprisingly similar with the exception that itβs all electronic and features a drum machine. What is outstanding to me (a non-drummer) is that a real acoustic drummer can mimic it. Brilliant Brilliant Brilliant.
no kidding
To repeat myself.....................as Chopin {previously} famously said.
Saying "I hate jazz" is as silly as saying "I hate food". By definition, there are countless styles and flavors of jazz to experience — some you'll dislike and some you'll find that you appreciate... but only if you learn something about the form and listen to as many variations as you can get your ears around, instead of just whining like a toddler about something you know nothing about.
It seems to me that becoming a well-rounded, educated, compassionate adult human being takes courage, patience and curiosity - among other things. C'mon — be brave, dig in to it (in spite of your reservations) and look for what you've been missing. The worst that can happen is that you'll actually be well-informed about the cause of your discomfort.
What is the meaning of “Flam”?
Proclivities wrote:
A "flam" is a type of drum stroke, which is also called a drumming rudiment. I imagine Jelani was referring to the drummer's technique in this song, as the drummer's performance contains numerous examples of flams. I don't believe he was referring to "flim-flam".
Also a town in Norway.
I'll say it again, too. It.
What is the meaning of “Flam”?
A "flam" is a type of drum stroke, which is also called a drumming rudiment. I imagine Jelani was referring to the drummer's technique in this song, as the drummer's performance contains numerous examples of flams. I don't believe he was referring to "flim-flam".
They also do Comfortably Numb too, but you be reminded of PF.
What is the meaning of “Flam”?
What is the meaning of “Flam”?
I just heard the last seconds of this, enough time to ask "who is this??". Went to youtube and found the same tune played live.
I like them a *lot*! Not sure I'll like everything, but I'll investigate further.
RP's musical horizon is really something that spreads all around me. I'm impressed (once more) !
I do also know this to be true: you dig improvisation/jazz (one of the hundred thousand variations there are) - or you don't.
And if you don't, as the previous comment stated, you won't find anything to like in this, as it's about as jazzy as it gets (if modern, and possibly more of the "extremely thought out" kind than of the "warm and easy to get", or the "raw and wild" kind... so hard to describe!)
Nothing to do with must or mustn't like, or good or bad taste. I'm not saying it means *anything* if you love this or hate this.
If you didn't hear at least a bit of jazz of any kind growing up, I think it's just really difficult to get into it once your very own perception of music has been shaped. That's what I've seen happening around me, anyway.
Saw these guys live. It was like listening to three musicians play entirely different pieces of music: different tempos, melodies, everything. "Creative" but discordant.
You must not like jazz.
Yeah. And why not? Ask Stockhausen, ask Cage, and of course: Holger Czukay.
You are bad, they are Plus!
They have talent, you have... a keyboard.
Haha, nailed!
I think their influences go back a lot further than those guys, but you never know.
Saw these guys live. It was like listening to three musicians play entirely different pieces of music: different tempos, melodies, everything. "Creative" but discordant.
Three real guys. I've seen them a couple of times. Great group!. The drummer, especially, is amazing.
A non-drummer myself with a 12-inch jaw drop at this performance. Fabulous!
The original off the Aphex Twin album Come to Daddy is surprisingly similar with the exception that it’s all electronic and features a drum machine. What is outstanding to me (a non drummer) is that a real acoustic drummer can mimic it. Brilliant Brilliant Brilliant.
National Lampoon did a great spoof of Mr. Rogers talking to a bass player. When asked if he wanted to visit the Magic Kingdom, the bass player replied, "No thanks, man, I gotta drive."
That whole show makes a lot more sense to me now.
Anyway, these guys are tremendous. If you get a chance, check them out live. : )
Wacko manic furious drumming set against calming piano with an easily recognizable repeating motif ... and then they break into something tightly synchronized, only to revert into the seemingly unrelated plunking/plinking. Yeah, that's what makes RP such a great find.
Kinda reminds me of Brubeck. No offense Dave
What you said, Roguewarer! Amen, from John, born & raised in Windsor, Ontario...kinda, sorta your neighbour.
Love, love, love!
Now that's interesting. I have always hated this song. But after re-reading the comments, I think I get it. But I still hate it.
And hurrah for RP! Brilliant exposure to a range of music.
Can't listen to this as it is used as a theme tune for a local NPR morning call in show in CT called "Where we live".
The host is aweful - stutters, cuts off the callers.....
Reminds me of the melody of the chorus from the Al American Rejects "Dirty Little Secret" which came out two years after this tune. Things that make you go hmmm ...
I see what you mean, but for me it triggers the melody of "a world of pure imagination" from Charlie & the Chocolate Factory with Gene Wilder.