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Itâs such a difficult call, on its face: correct obvious lies, or just ignore them.
Until typing this I thought it was hard to decide but then it dawned on me that correcting a lie is important if it will spread (see also the lies from trump or RFKjr or all the mouthpieces that the adulterous lying draft dodger felon loser has hired). But here, on RP, it wonât spread. That makes the choice easy.
So y'all are a bunch of communists. No wonder, Trump wants to root that out!
Honestly, I think same as you guys do ...
Education, medical care, public transportation, communication services (internet, phone, tv) should be public, not private!
Basic income should be provided, and taxes raised.
That train however has left the station, at least since 1945, unfortunately. Who's gonna bring it back?
and no private prisons. There shouldn't be a financial incentive to put or keep people in jail.
You like google, use it to figure out what you're going to build with the steel, what mills you're going to use, how the downstream industrial manufacturing infrastructure will support the requirements, and who is going to work the end-to-end pipeline (building shit...welding...metallurgy....etc.)? Trump's tariffs did not restore the mobilization in case of emergency, it shifted profitability.
Also worth noting... how are the Ukrainians and Iranians doing with their steel production? Future warfare is rare-earth, silicon, titanium, and other components we import at much higher percentages than steel. Your arguing WWII and Vietnam while we're held hostage by a regime with drones. No army...navy at the bottom of the sea... no rockets... and they still own Trump (and us).
But hey.... you keep telling yourself that Trump's a patriot... America First!
Not to mention US Steel is owned by a Japanese corporation.
So y'all are a bunch of communists. No wonder, Trump wants to root that out!
Honestly, I think same as you guys do ...
Education, medical care, public transportation, communication services (internet, phone, tv) should be public, not private!
Basic income should be provided, and taxes raised.
That train however has left the station, at least since 1945, unfortunately. Who's gonna bring it back?
Seems government control of private-sector assets has become the topic in here.
I'm all for The State owing and operating schools, hospitals and clinics for healthcare, prisons, infrastructure, police fire/rescue/ambulance services, mass transportation, pension plans and even a universal basic income - and the ensuing tax increase in order to do so. Manufacturing can be privately or publicly owned but regulated to prevent the establishment of monopolies and the creation of billionaires.
My 2 cents.
my view exactly.
Most people, if given the chance and have their basic needs catered to, are altruistic. However, there is a minority of insecure people, predominantly males, who even when their basic needs are catered to, feel an urge to demonstrate their dominance or superiority to the world, but mostly to the scared little boy lurking inside them. The tragedy of the last fifty years is we have tolerated these jerks taking control of everything under some skewed premise of market efficiency or liberalism and even a mistaken identification of what it means to be male.
Turns out the society such jerks create is neither free, efficient nor even liberal.
Itâs such a difficult call, on its face: correct obvious lies, or just ignore them.
Until typing this I thought it was hard to decide but then it dawned on me that correcting a lie is important if it will spread (see also the lies from trump or RFKjr or all the mouthpieces that the adulterous lying draft dodger felon loser has hired). But here, on RP, it wonât spread. That makes the choice easy.
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I for one will ignore him. Iâm not going to let him affect my serenity. Join me if you want, or not.
Itâs such a difficult call, on its face: correct obvious lies, or just ignore them.
Until typing this I thought it was hard to decide but then it dawned on me that correcting a lie is important if it will spread (see also the lies from trump or RFKjr or all the mouthpieces that the adulterous lying draft dodger felon loser has hired). But here, on RP, it wonât spread. That makes the choice easy.
Actually Brother Isle, I think there is actually NO need to step in on any of his postings here. Itâs the same exact crap heâs posted for years. He doesnât come here to win points and arguments. He comes here to stir the pot, agitate, like a good little MAGA. Engaging with him is the fuel for his soul. IMHO
If it was possible to coordinate âall of usâ to simply ignore him, ghost him, heâd be alone inside his personal echo chamber. He might not go away, but heâd become irrelevant.
I for one will ignore him. Iâm not going to let him affect my serenity. Join me if you want, or not.
Once again, the need arises for one of us here to step in and clarify the nonsense you have spouted:
Actually Brother Isle, I think there is actually NO need to step in on any of his postings here. Itâs the same exact crap heâs posted for years. He doesnât come here to win points and arguments. He comes here to stir the pot, agitate, like a good little MAGA. Engaging with him is the fuel for his soul. IMHO
If it was possible to coordinate âall of usâ to simply ignore him, ghost him, heâd be alone inside his personal echo chamber. He might not go away, but heâd become irrelevant.
I for one will ignore him. Iâm not going to let him affect my serenity. Join me if you want, or not.
Yes. Kurt's parents lost money because the company failed on the free market. No one else except the government was going to step in to save it, and even if they had the original bond holders would have lost out. Kurt's parents were investors and investment has risks. Normally those bonds would be low risk, but there was risk, as they found out. So Kurt's stance here is fundamentally anti-capitalism.
I understand why Obama felt that GM needed government investment to be saved. I strongly disagree with his selling off the stake in the company after it stabilised. Especially selling at a loss. The government took on a risk that no one else wanted. High risk should give a high reward in capitalism. There was a lot of republican pressure to do that. Now suddenly, it is good for the government to force companies to give them a stake.
Seems government control of private-sector assets has become the topic in here.
I'm all for The State owing and operating schools, hospitals and clinics for healthcare, prisons, infrastructure, police fire/rescue/ambulance services, mass transportation, pension plans and even a universal basic income - and the ensuing tax increase in order to do so. Manufacturing can be privately or publicly owned but regulated to prevent the establishment of monopolies and the creation of billionaires.
Once again, the need arises for one of us here to step in and clarify the nonsense you have spouted:
GM was insolvent and on the way to bankruptcy. In addition to your parents investment, an entire production sector would have been lost. Obama stabilized the company with an investment of ~ 50 billion dollars and allowed it to continue. Eventually the government sold it's stake for ~ 40 billion resulting in a loss to the taxpayers of 10 billion dollars. So all of us lost a bit on that one, but the jobs and entire industries that are associated continued. Those people didn't go on unemployment. They kept buying goods and services in their communities, so those businesses didn't fail.
Also of note - once again, you show an absolute inability to admit that trump has done something wrong without pointing a finger elsewhere and chanting "they (obama, biden, hunter, antifa, the gays....) made him do it".
Yes. Kurt's parents lost money because the company failed on the free market. No one else except the government was going to step in to save it, and even if they had the original bond holders would have lost out. Kurt's parents were investors and investment has risks. Normally those bonds would be low risk, but there was risk, as they found out. So Kurt's stance here is fundamentally anti-capitalism.
I understand why Obama felt that GM needed government investment to be saved. I strongly disagree with his selling off the stake in the company after it stabilised. Especially selling at a loss. The government took on a risk that no one else wanted. High risk should give a high reward in capitalism. There was a lot of republican pressure to do that. Now suddenly, it is good for the government to force companies to give them a stake.
This is the same action that Trump took with US Steel. More importantly it was also about National Security. Keeping the domestic steel industry alive for defense purposes, if needed.
You are such a pawn. National Security.
You like google, use it to figure out what you're going to build with the steel, what mills you're going to use, how the downstream industrial manufacturing infrastructure will support the requirements, and who is going to work the end-to-end pipeline (building shit...welding...metallurgy....etc.)? Trump's tariffs did not restore the mobilization in case of emergency, it shifted profitability.
Also worth noting... how are the Ukrainians and Iranians doing with their steel production? Future warfare is rare-earth, silicon, titanium, and other components we import at much higher percentages than steel. Your arguing WWII and Vietnam while we're held hostage by a regime with drones. No army...navy at the bottom of the sea... no rockets... and they still own Trump (and us).
But hey.... you keep telling yourself that Trump's a patriot... America First!
This is the same action that Trump took with US Steel. More importantly it was also about National Security. Keeping the domestic steel industry alive for defense purposes, if needed.
Um, checking in from Ohio, where Trump promised twice to bring back steel and coal jobs. It hasn't happened. In no way form or fashion. Republicans promised Intel would bring billions to Ohio. Hasn't happened. They've given billions in tax breaks to "server farms" that aren't returning that investment and are both oversized consumers of power and water, but are now polluters. Oh, and the billions given to parochial school systems that even the Catholic Church was ready to let go away while forcing local schools to go to home owners for property tax increases. The latest Republican governor candidate wants to end property taxes and close colleges and universities while having ripped his company out of Ohio to go someplace with fewer taxes. How is that supportive? it all seems to be a matter of perspective - the truth vs. what the conservative media bubble feeds its incurious masses.
Once again, the need arises for one of us here to step in and clarify the nonsense you have spouted:
GM was insolvent and on the way to bankruptcy. In addition to your parents investment, an entire production sector would have been lost. Obama stabilized the company with an investment of ~ 50 billion dollars and allowed it to continue. Eventually the government sold it's stake for ~ 40 billion resulting in a loss to the taxpayers of 10 billion dollars. So all of us lost a bit on that one, but the jobs and entire industries that are associated continued. Those people didn't go on unemployment. They kept buying goods and services in their communities, so those businesses didn't fail.
No, an entire production sector would not have been lost. You're saying that GM was the only domestic auto manufacturer ?
There was another way. I guess that Lee Iacocca was before your time. IIRC, he paid back every dime with interest. 7 years early, too.
This is the same action that Trump took with US Steel. More importantly it was also about National Security. Keeping the domestic steel industry alive for defense purposes, if needed.
Once again, the need arises for one of us here to step in and clarify the nonsense you have spouted:
GM was insolvent and on the way to bankruptcy. In addition to your parents investment, an entire production sector would have been lost. Obama stabilized the company with an investment of ~ 50 billion dollars and allowed it to continue. Eventually the government sold it's stake for ~ 40 billion resulting in a loss to the taxpayers of 10 billion dollars. So all of us lost a bit on that one, but the jobs and entire industries that are associated continued. Those people didn't go on unemployment. They kept buying goods and services in their communities, so those businesses didn't fail.
Also of note - once again, you show an absolute inability to admit that trump has done something wrong without pointing a finger elsewhere and chanting "they (obama, biden, hunter, antifa, the gays....) made him do it".
Everything is political. The fact that investors lost money was settled before the government got involved.
I worked at a company that received 2008 bailout money. We changed our company name, issued blank ID badges, and re-issued corporate credit cards without a logo so that employees wouldn't get harassed while commuting / dining out while traveling.
For every $1 Kurt's family lost, there were hundreds of employee's that lost millions in equity pay and retirement money. I know a guy who had retired and had to go back to work because the 8 figure nest egg they built in company stock was reverse split at 200 to 1 (stupid planning on his part...but true). In the end, our bailout saved about 80,000 jobs.
When SpaceX hits $50, it'll be interesting to see how that's Obama's / Biden's / Harris's fault.
Man are you easily wrapped up in the fear mongering.
Mamdani is a regional issue. Bernie has been failing for decades, and sure, the kids like what Mamdani says, but contrary to every Fox News story, he's not the face of the Democratic party.
Since we're talking about taking over the means of production.... maybe you should look a bit closer to home for communists...
So far, this administration has taken equity and revenue ownership is several US companies....
Understood. I am not a fan of these policies. I believe that it was Biden who started the Intel ball rolling, though.
And let us not forget Obama's takeover of General Motors. The bondholders in the company got screwed. My parents were bond holders in GM and lost a fair amount of money because of what Obama did.
Once again, the need arises for one of us here to step in and clarify the nonsense you have spouted:
GM was insolvent and on the way to bankruptcy. In addition to your parents investment, an entire production sector would have been lost. Obama stabilized the company with an investment of ~ 50 billion dollars and allowed it to continue. Eventually the government sold it's stake for ~ 40 billion resulting in a loss to the taxpayers of 10 billion dollars. So all of us lost a bit on that one, but the jobs and entire industries that are associated continued. Those people didn't go on unemployment. They kept buying goods and services in their communities, so those businesses didn't fail.
Also of note - once again, you show an absolute inability to admit that trump has done something wrong without pointing a finger elsewhere and chanting "they (obama, biden, hunter, antifa, the gays....) made him do it".
When someone tells you that they want to seize private property and the means of production, they are Communists. This is what the so called Democratic Socialist candidates are saying out on the stump, unrepentantly, over and over again. I guess that you have not been paying attention to the campaigns, especially in NY and Colorado and elsewhere such as Michigan They are winning having unseated incumbents and will be elected to Congress this fall.
Mamdani has already put the ball in motion to go after private property. Mamdani, the guy you all said was no big deal, because he would only be a Mayor ...
Man are you easily wrapped up in the fear mongering.
Mamdani is a regional issue. Bernie has been failing for decades, and sure, the kids like what Mamdani says, but contrary to every Fox News story, he's not the face of the Democratic party.
Since we're talking about taking over the means of production.... maybe you should look a bit closer to home for communists...
So far, this administration has taken equity and revenue ownership is several US companies....
Understood. I am not a fan of these policies. I believe that it was Biden who started the Intel ball rolling, though.
And let us not forget Obama's takeover of General Motors. The bondholders in the company got screwed. My parents were bond holders in GM and lost a fair amount of money because of what Obama did.
